Vick as an Investment

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

It may not happen, but Kraft is all about buying low and selling high. When did he sign BB to his most recent extension? In the middle of Spygate. There's always risk involved with purchasing an asset at a discounted price, and BB is as good at evaluating and managing risk as anyone else in that business.

Actually it was before spygate.

Kraft has never been about bringing in criminals. The day that the news Willie Andrews beat his wife he was cut. The Patriots will sign guys with flaws, so an Ochocinco signing wouldn't shock me. But a Pacman Jones or Vick would.

BB has never been about wasting roster spots on guys that aren't gonna help the team win.

 

[amazinPats]

I'm against the idea. Vick may not even come cheap. We'd likely lose in any bidding war. We've got a deep team here. No need to take chances with team chemistry.

Maybe there's a higher chance that we'd sign a canine to be qb than Michael Vick? Just posing the question.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

I am in favor of signing Vick, if nothing else can you imagine him returning punts? Like or it not on the inside, Vick will nod his head and say 'I'll do anything you want' to any NFL coach who asks Vick if he's willing to help the team win.

Vick was not one of my favorite NFL players before he was busted. He was exciting to watch, but something was missing for me to be a fan.

Now, I want him on our team. He can help us win, and maybe we could all take pride in supporting a great story of redemption.

Vick can help win by returning kicks, he would be amazing in that role.

He can help us in practice on the scout team as a Wildcat QB royale.

Vick can help us win by entering late in blowouts and running a grind it out option type offense (and I don't mean the Wildcat, I mean a running option game). He could easily help us get the one or two big 1st downs that breaks the spirit of the opponent that we often see Brady try to get while we all scream for Tommy to be out of the game.

The redemption thing - You know, I may be a Romantic sap, but I buy Bob Kraft's earnestness when it comes to wanting to help people on while his way to winning. Kraft carries a lot of weight around the league and around the region. If Kraft walked out to the inevitable PETA protesters a few times and calmly talked to them about their concerns then asked them to support his effort to bring a man back to a good way of living, well, I think Kraft carries the water to get the crazies to back off.

Vick served as much time in prison as Lyndie England, the service woman convicted of torturing humans. Vick's also served as much or more time than many drunken driver killers of human beings. He's lost $70-100 million. He was an arrogant, cruel, self-absorbed fool. I don't know what he is now but my support of the Patriots would only be bolstered by BB and Kraft putting out a friendly hand and steering this guy back to humanity. And don't forget, he'd be absolute dynamite returning punts.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Vick can help win by returning kicks, he would be amazing in that role.

He can help us in practice on the scout team as a Wildcat QB royale.

Vick can help us win by entering late in blowouts and running a grind it out option type offense (and I don't mean the Wildcat, I mean a running option game). He could easily help us get the one or two big 1st downs that breaks the spirit of the opponent that we often see Brady try to get while we all scream for Tommy to be out of the game.

You seem to make three points there...you only made one.

Yes he can be a kr/pr.

You don't sign someone to the regular squad so they can help out the practice squad.

And you absolutely don't sign a player to be used solely in blowouts. If the score is 41-3, you can put in KOC or even have Wilfork play QB, you don't waste a roster spot on a blowout specialist.

 

[nantucketguy]

Actually I think I said sign him back in the day and got ripped apart for it on this site. hmmmmm...funny

 

[OhExaulted1]

Why not sign his brother Marcus while were at it?

Nice gene pool to build a team around.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

It's not difficult to pick out the bandwagon fans these days. They grasp about as much about the organizations history or the systems foundations as national mediots.

“I told both Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick that the only important thing is that we don’t have thugs and hoodlums on this team,” owner Robert Kraft told WEEI. “If we need them to win, then I’m out of this business. We want to win, but not so badly that we’re willing to compromise our values.” - Bob Kraft, June 2009

Vick has accounted for 92 combined throwing and rushing TD's while turning the ball over 113 times in his short 6 years in the league. He was sacked on average 2.5 times a game. He has never fielded a kick in the NFL. Nor has he ever shown he could consistently function as a RB any more than he could as a QB.

He'd be a lousy investment even if he wasn't a convicted felon.

 

[apple strudel]

Vick needs money pretty bad considering he filed for bankruptcy. I don't see him signing a prove it deal unless he's not getting any other offers, so I think the point is kind of moot.

Also, he lied to Arthur Blank, and I don't think Kraft would trust or appreciate that kind of guy around.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

I have there words how I feel about the thug joining the Pats

NO NO AND HOW BOUT NO!!!

He cant help us, he was a avg Qb at best.. and It would be very hard for me to root for the pats again.. With that said it wont happen..

 

[efin98]

I'll never understand peoples fascination with Vick...he was a mediocre QB who was a one trick pony. He's not coming here, about the only connection the Patriots would have to him is being used as leverage to get another sucker hire him.

He's not coming here, not in a Patriots uniform.

 

[eagle eye]

Sure, let's sign Vick and give ESPN more ammunition of how the Pats's franchise is going downhill. Also, the risk is way higher than the reward because there will be a ton of protesters at practice and outside the stadium. I think you really have to ask yourself, do the Pats really need Vick? They don't, because they have players on offense that can beat you straight up. In fact, aside from the Chargers, Colts and especially the Pats, they don't need trick plays on offense to beat you. There's no point of signing Vick.

Why should we care about ESPN?
Protestors, who cares about protestors?
The rest of your post fails to answer the question that is posed by the op and thats would he be worth it, the simple answer is that if he is truly remorseful for what he had done in the past and still possesses all the talent he had before his incarceration then he is certainly worth a shot. Worse case scenario is that he doesn't work out, best case he makes a huge impact for us and we get to trade him for some nice draft picks or keep him if we want to.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

You don't sign players as an "investment" to trade later. You sign players that help your team win.

Matt Cassel was not drafted because BB thought he might be able to convert a 7th into half of a 2nd round pick. MC was drafted because BB thought Matt might be able to win a few games if Brady got injured.

You sign players that will help your team win. Vick doesn't do that.

Agreed. This isn't your Madden franchise this is the NFL. Every roster spot matters

 

[Kontradiction]

Has everyone forgotten that the team drafted what was supposed to be our "wildcat" type quarterback in Edelman?

 

[brdmaverick]

Vick would be a terrible pickup for the Pats. I think the biggest thing with a backup quarterback is that you want the offense to run just the same as if the starter were in (aka not miss a beat). With Vick in the game, the Pats offensive style changes dramatically.

 

[Deus Irae]

Has everyone forgotten that the team drafted what was supposed to be our "wildcat" type quarterback in Edelman?

Yes. Pretty much everyone on both sides of the Vick issue has ignored that.

 

[DaBruinz]

Not surprised you're being attacked for "another Vick thread" but I think the premise is sound. Of course, as someone stated, you don't sign him *only* as trade bait; you sign him because you think he can somehow help the team in 2009. If they think that and sign him to a 2-yr deal, he produces in Year 1 you can flip him in Year 2.

Makes sense as long as NE thinks he is an actual asset for this season, which I think he could be as a returner and/or 1-2 play-a-game gadget player. And before people chime in with 1-2 plays isn't worth it, if he makes one play all season that helps the team win a game, he is worth it.

One end around for a TD, one kick return, one WR screen in the 4th quarter to seal a win, he's worth it.

How is the premise sound? Seriously? You both are pulling garbage out your rear ends. Your basing stuff wanting to get VIck on information that is outdated. Not to mention you are totally forgetting all the bad press and publicity he'd bring...

 

[lurker1965]

OK, serious question...what is the difference between what Vick did in Atlanta - being a threat to bootleg on each play - and the wildcat? Either way, the guy who takes the snap may or may not take off running. Can someone with a good understanding of the game please explain the big whoop about the wildcat?

The unbalanced line might mess up defenders that have not seen it before.

See Dolphin game #1 compared to Dolphin game #2. Once you know who will block who, gimmick over. Although next step is a "fake Wild cat" where the line looks like kit but isn't.

 

[Rob0729]

Has everyone forgotten that the team drafted what was supposed to be our "wildcat" type quarterback in Edelman?

We don't know what Edelman's role is going to be at this point if he makes the team at all. The guy was a seventh round pick in a year the Pats had 6 picks in the first three rounds (granted McKenzie is on IR and Tate may end up on PUP). There may not be a roster spot for him and if there is he will most likely be either be inactive or primarily special teams.

I still don't know if the addition of Endelman signals that Belichick would ever consider using the Wildcat other than the rare occassion. The guy is a seventh round pick and especially on this team doesn't mean he will stick around.

 

[lurker1965]

Picking up Vick to trade in year #2 if you think he might add value as "the gadget player" is the best "sign Vick" idea I've read.

Personally I'd pass, but I'm not Belichick/Kraft.

 

[lurker1965]

I'm against the idea. Vick may not even come cheap. We'd likely lose in any bidding war. We've got a deep team here. No need to take chances with team chemistry.

Maybe there's a higher chance that we'd sign a canine to be qb than Michael Vick? Just posing the question.

I agree, but I don't think there is a market for Vick outside of the UFL.

I could see it if he cost a bag of balls.

What ever Veteran minimum is and be prepared to walk if his agent says "Detroit (or whomever) is offering $X."