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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    I'll be the first to admit that I don't really think either party or society in general does a good job of recognizing vets. People put those stickers on their cars, but then they hardly give it another thought. I've been to the veteran's rest home in my town, and its downright depressing. We could do so much more for them instead of just using them for cheap political pops.

    Honestly though, I wouldn't put too much stock in the grades of this group. After doing a little reading about them, they don't seem to be the most non-partisan entity. Factcheck.org did a little digging on them in 2007 when they sponsored some ads against Bobby Jindal in LA (FactCheck.org: Overspiced Louisiana Gumbo) and found their "non-partisan" claim to be a little shaky. Factcheck's conclusion, combined with what I've read, leads me to believe that this group has a bias that might be affecting their grading system.

    Again, I'm not denying that politicians could do better helping vets. This particular group just smells a little fishy to me.
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    While the right wraps themselves in flags and wear yellow ribbons, in reality they do not support the veteran's very well... the draft dodging neo cons love to send the boys off to war, but in reality do not really want to support them afterwards...

    Why does the right hate our military?????

    Here is the link to the complete report...

    http://media.iava.org/iava_action/IAVA_Action_2010_Congressional_Report_Card.pdf
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    IAVA exposing the dirty politicians for what they truly are. Now you can see what their true intentions with their voting actions and ballots cast not the "party lines" that the yammer over and over.

    It's not about right or left to me, look at those lists. The majority of them are two faced liars. The career politicians and the elite need to be driven out of the offices.
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    Going to read the report before I make assumptions.
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    You will be surprised...
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    This makes more sense as to why it is so skewed. Both sides don't care about the troops equally, they just used this as a forum to try to regulate people's sexuality.
    I notice at the end it shows how many people are vets in the house and senate. I'm going to see what their specific grades where as that might be interesting.
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    Here is a list of all House and Senate veterans and their grade.
    If anyone has the time, it would be interesting to see what wars/service they were in and what party they belong to also how many are actually Iraq or Afghanistan vets themselves.

    HOUSE (name/state/district/grade)
    Akin W. Todd MO 2 D
    Alexander Rodney LA 5 D
    Baca Joe CA 43 A
    Bachus Spencer AL 6 D
    Barrett J. Gresham SC 3 F
    Bishop Sanford D. GA 2 B
    Boccieri John A. OH 16 A+
    Boehner John A. OH 8 D
    Boswell Leonard L. IA 3 A
    Boyd Allen FL 2 B
    Broun Paul GA 10 D
    Brown Henry E. SC 1 D
    Buchanan Vern FL 13 C
    Burton Dan IN 5 D
    Butter"eld George K. NC 1 B
    Buyer Steve IN 4 F
    Carney Christopher P. PA 10 A
    Coble Howard NC 6 D
    Co$man Michael CO 6 C
    Conaway K. Michael TX 11 D
    Conyers John MI 14 F
    Davis Geoff KY 4 C
    DeFazio Peter A. OR 4 B
    Delahunt William D. MA 10 B
    Dingell John D. MI 15 B
    Djou Charles HI 1 INC
    Duncan John J. TN 2 C
    Etheridge Bob NC 2 B
    Frelinghuysen Rodney P. NJ 11 C
    Gohmert Louie TX 1 D
    Gonzalez Charles A. TX 20 B
    Gordon Bart TN 6 B
    Guthrie Steven Brett KY 2 C
    Hall Ralph M. TX 4 C
    Hare Phil IL 17 A
    Hastings Doc WA 4 D
    Hunter Duncan D. CA 52 C
    Issa Darrell E. CA 49 D
    Johnson Sam TX 3 D
    Jones Walter B. NC 3 C
    Kanjorski Paul E. PA 11 A
    King Peter T. NY 3 A
    Kirk Mark Steven IL 10 B
    Kline John Paul MN 2 C
    Linder John GA 7 D
    Markey Edward J. MA 7 C
    Marshall Jim GA 8 C
    McDermott Jim WA 7 C
    Miller Gary G. CA 42 D
    Minnick Walt ID 1 A
    Mollohan Alan B. WV 1 C
    Moore Dennis KS 3 A
    Murphy Patrick J. PA 8 B
    Olson Pete TX 22 D
    Ortiz Solomon P. TX 27 B
    Pascrell Bill NJ 8 A
    Paul Ron TX 14 F
    Peters Gary MI 9 A+
    Peterson Collin C. MN 7 B
    Pitts Joseph R. PA 16 D
    Poe Ted TX 2 C
    Rangel Charles B. NY 15 A
    Reichert David G. WA 8 B
    Reyes Silvestre TX 16 A
    Roe Phil TN 1 C
    Rogers Michael D. AL 3 D
    Rogers Harold KY 5 C
    Rooney Tom FL 16 C
    Rush Bobby L. IL 1 A
    Salazar John T. CO 3 B
    Scott Robert C. VA 3 A
    Serrano Jose E. NY 16 B
    Sestak Joseph A. PA 7 B
    Shadegg John B. AZ 3 F
    Shimkus John IL 19 D
    Snyder Vic AR 2 B
    Spratt John M. SC 5 C
    Stark Fortney Pete CA 13 C
    Stearns Cliff FL 6 D
    Tanner John S. TN 8 B
    Taylor Gene MS 4 B
    Thompson Mike CA 1 B
    Towns Edolphus NY 10 C
    Walz Timothy J. MN 1 A+
    Whitfield Ed KY 1 D
    Wilson Addison Graves SC 2 D
    Wolf Frank R. VA 10 D
    Young Don AK 1 C
    Young C. W. FL 10 F

    Total: 89/435 (20%)
    Avg grade*: 2.2 (slightly better than a C)

    Senate (name/state/grade)
    Akaka Daniel K. HI B
    Bennett Robert F. UT D
    Bingaman Jeff NM B
    Carper Thomas R. DE C
    Cochran Thad MS D
    Dodd Christopher J. CT B
    Graham Lindsey O. SC D
    Harkin Tom IA C
    Inhofe James M. OK D
    Inouye Daniel K. HI B
    Isakson Johnny GA D
    Kerry John F. MA B
    Kohl Herbert H. WI C
    Lautenberg Frank NJ A
    Lugar Richard G. IN D
    McCain John AZ D
    Nelson Bill FL C
    Reed Jack RI B
    Roberts Pat KS D
    Sessions Jeff AL D
    Specter Arlen PA C
    Warner Mark VA C
    Webb Jim VA B

    Total: 23/100 (23%)
    Avg grade*: 2.0 (a straight up C)



    *A+ is 5 points, A is 4, B 3, C 2, D 1, F 0. Added them and took the average. Margin of error: .1 (completely estimated)
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    Bump as this thread is too important to ignore, the illusion is not the reality.
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    Went to the pdf and looked at the specific bill and votes taken by members in a number of cases there were bill that covered other issues than the vet issues as 1 example:


    So one could certainly support the vet provisions, but object to crap like cash for clinkers, the Healthcare bill (Obamacare). So were the 'bad' grades a result of member voting against bills loaded with other controversial issues having nothing to do with vets? IS a vote against Obamacare proof someone doesn't support vets? Really?

    another example from the report:

    Other vets measures were buried in bills like a repeal of don't ask don tell, some sort of Matthew Sheppard bill and so on. So were the congress critters voting against vets or left wing social engineering. There seems to be a lot of gotcha politics here that has nothing to do with vets. If the dems (who control the presentation of bills to congress due to their majorities) were sincere they would introduce the bills for veterans as separate issues rather than burying them in bills having NOTHING to do with veterans.

    Raw story of course doesn't mention this at all. While the scorecard is marred by this ( a number of ex dem legislative people involved with this group) give them credit for pointing out that bills in question had many important provisions beyond the provisions pertaining to vets issues.

    http://media.iava.org/iava_action/IAVA_Action_2010_Congressional_Report_Card.pdf
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    Politics is the art of compromise, and one would think that Republicans would place greater priority on supporting the troops, then b.s. p.c. crap like opposing DADT or or Matthew Sheppard bill. Their desire to block gay rights overwhelms their concern for the troops. Don't you find that a bit pathetic?
     
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    Well I highlighted parts of the bills that weren't related to to veterans issues. Those weren't the only thing stuffed in these bills. This is the sort of gotcha politics played in DC all the time. Of course with their majorities the dems have in congress they can pass whatever they want as we have seen so frequently.


    If the vets items were brought up in a bill together My guess is that the people who voted no when they were in bills like obamacare would vote yes if they were collected in a single bill for vets.

    So the challenge to the left, Pelosi in particular, put all these items in a single bill without extraneous issues and let the congress vote to support vets.Of course this won't happen. The left doesn't want to support vets they want fodder for campaign ads.
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    Why does the draft dodging neo con right wingers, love to send our young men off to war, and not want to support them afterwards???... they wear a bunch of yellow ribbons, but in reality it means shyt... they hate the troops.
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    There's always a lot of politics, and I can certainly understand Republicans voting against pro-troop legislation that's packed into health care reform. But, things like repealing DADT or the Matthew Shepherd act (which is the hate crimes bill that ultimately passed) are more suspect. This is a good sort of example of "what's wrong with Washington."
     
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    I don't think they hate the troops, so much as they're stuck on a nineteenth century ideal of what manliness is, and that prevents them from thinking of the cost of war as anything more than a dollar and cents issue. Troops are like cannons. If you lose 'em, you get new ones.
     
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    Becuase scum bag democrats who undermined their efforts while in combat put the veteran issues in bills full of pork and crap so they can use vet as political props disgusting if you ask me.


    Tell your union pals to tell Pelosi and Ried to quit using vet and put a clean bill with all their issues in it before congress.
     
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    Pelosi has the power to fix the problem by putting the veterans issues together in a clean bill and presenting it for a vote. Stop using vets as political props for left wing agenda items.

    That is what will happen when the dems lose control of congress.
     
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    Not as pathetic as your lame attempt to somehow tie the issue presented in this thread to gay rights.
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    That's not how Washington works. The Republicans do the exact same thing, packaging their legislation with popular legislation. You want to change that in Washington? How? It's the way the game is played.

    I think Wolfpack should accuse you, not me, since you're the one who brought up gay rights in the first place. ;)
     
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    Re: Vets’ group: 92 percent of ‘D’ or ‘F’ grades on supporting troops go to Republica

    You are aware that all of this is based on lies, and went against what the joint chief of staff recommended...

    The right so loved the military that the led them to an unneccessary war, and then when they returned they denied them access to services that they needed... keep wearing those yellow ribbons, keep wrapping yourself in that american flag...
     

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