Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by groundgame, Nov 19, 2007.
Pats/Eagles game the only game with no betting line. You have to believe Pats favored by about 21?
OK--if there's no line, what are the odds straight-up for victories? I have to imagine they must be giving something ridiculous like 1:10 [you bet $10 to make $1] on the Pats. . . .
last night the money line was -1100, +800
ie bet $1100 on the Pats to win $100
this week it will be even more. the spread will be around 20 instead of 16
They won't put a line until they can determine the status of McNabb
this isn't true, lines are always made with injuries in question
"Insiders" must have made back some of their money
after the zebes kept them from covering against Indy.
I've been surprised, actually, that
they're still offering a point spread on the Pats at all.
I'm not sure they'll take any more bets on the Patriots this year. They are getting killed on them.
Yes, but not quaterhback injuries, they almost always hold them off until they know, unless of course, the choices are Pennington vs. Klemens
Actually, Vegas rather frequently will hold a line until they get a better idea the status of a key player like McNabb. Whether McNabb has a chance to play vs. no chance at all can move the line 4-5 points.
Why? Just up the spread until the betting is even. At some point you bet against the Pats.
How about Pats -50 at Philly? Who would you take? -60?
the local bookies are certainly taking a beating. most of them are still underrating this team
FWIW-McNabb ankle injury wasn't serious, it was kinda minor, actually.
This was the same guy in '02 who broke his ankle on the 1st series against the Cards, but nonetheless STAYED IN the game and played effectively throughout.
Pt being that this guy just has NO heart any more. When things are going rough, he chickens out. And if anything-since that Super Bowl, he's been exposed pretty badly. He seems to have alot of Bledsoe-esque weaknesses(i.e. holding onto the ball too long and locking onto his primary reads too long as well). Now that he's seemed to lost some of his mobility, which has been his biggest strength, everything's been exposed, it seems.
Hilton Las Vegas has Pats -17 but most books are waiting for more info on McNabb's status.
They'd get enough action going the other way well before reaching such ridiculous heights. If the line hits -21 or so, that's when you'll see it swing. And I still think it'd be a fool's bet.
McNabb's major problem is that like Brady last season, he has almost no tools. The receivers are poor, the Offense is entirely on one small HB to both catch and provide a run game. When McNabb had the tools he was good; if he had them again, he would be good again.
If I was making the line for this game I'd have it at 21. At least their defense is somewhat good, although Dallas did put up 38 on them in Philly.
I think if they don't stumble at all in the next few weeks, the Jets line should be 28 or higher.
And it brings a tear to my eye.
Isn't that what he just said?
If I was a betting man, I know I'd be making a killing betting on the Patriots to cover this year. They've covered 9 out of 10 times now. Not exactly a team a bookie should want to take bets on imo!
Can anyone please explain the irrational hatred of McNabb that Philly fans and others seem to have. Clearly, he will never be a Manning or Brady, but he has consistently been one of the top 6 or 7 QB's in the league when healthy.
I understand he has had a problem staying healthy, but is there something more to it? I know the Philly fans booed him lustily at the Draft, have they never gotten over that?
no, I think he was saying that the line wouldn't be made until the status of McNabb was known.
I was saying that lines are always made before the injury situation is known
and as somebody already said, the Hilton came out with the line
Not when the "injury in question" is a starting QB.
No, they're not. They're making as much money on Patriots games as they are on other games. Vegas sportsbooks are nothing but glorified middlemen. The only people "getting killed" are those betting against New England.
McNabb sucks and is one of the most overrated athletes in the game... the Eagles were something like 5-6 last year and then McNabb got injured and they went 5-0 to finish the season, and won a playoff game. So don't give me that "he needs his tools" bullcrap.
As a Patriots fan, I hope McNabb plays. Not that it will make any difference either way.
Not at all. I have seen numerous times just this year where the waited for the status of a player before setting a line.
that's a bit of a misconception. local bookies, who takes bets from Pats homers, have gotten crushed by the Pats record of 9-1 ATS this year
how could this be true when various injuries are gametime decisions?
by Wednesday, every game will have a line, I guarantee it
Wednesday they have the first injury report, so that isn't that big of a stretch. But it is hardly a surprise that a line would hold off due to clarrification of the QB's injury status. It happens far more than your posts seem to convey.
Uh, not really. As one poster noted, Garcia did pretty well last year with the same tools. When his first read isn't open, he checks down and dumps off to Westbrook letting him do the rest. That's why his completion percentage may be high but his YPA isn't. Put a spy on Westbrook and you shut down the offense.
Games can be put up and then taken off the board at anytime for injuries, suspensions, weather, personnel decisions, etc. Your guarantee is not 100%. I'm sure there have already been weeks this season where a game was not on the board at a MAJOR sportsbook on Wednesday.
Now if you are just saying that Vinny around the block will take action on anything anytime that's different, but that's not really saying anything either.
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