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    the Vatican called Monday for an overhaul of world’s financial systems and a return to a global economy based on ethical behavior and “achievement of a universal common good,” the AP reports. While the Vatican has, in the past, criticized uncontrolled capitalism, the new call goes further, decrying “an economic liberalism that spurns all rules and controls.”

    Whopooopsies!

    Bible thumpers....put down your Koch Brothers sponsored colonial garb, and....

    Join the protest!

    The Pope said so.





    Vatican Calls For Economic Equality, Sweeping Reform Of Global Financial System | ThinkProgress
     
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    Is the church selling off any of its assets to help accomplish this?

    (btw, I'm not saying the Catholic church doesn't help the needy -- it does.)
     
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    This position has been around for a while, I remember in the 60's, when the Catholic Church made an attempt to be relevant they made an effort to go this way. But as in every institution there is the old guard...

    Remember a priest commenting to a few of us in those days as to why we would want to be involved in the civil rights movement??.. He queried as he ate his lobster and later drove away in his BMW...

    OTOH there have always been a lot of priest/nun/advocates for economic equality.. they are not as obvious now, but in the past were very noticable. Now they are walking the walk in inner city parishes....
     
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    Bible thumpers don't like the pope. Try again.


    Or to put it in terms you would understand:

    Pope -> Bible Thumpers

    B Spears -> RJ Dio.......


    Glad to help.
     
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    Are you claiming that the pope is greater than the bible thumpers????
     
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    It is shocking to walk into famous cathedrals in Italy and elsewhere and see how much dough was tied up in their architecture...especially when you consider how poor most people were when they were built.

    Saint Mark's in Venice has a gold-plated ceiling.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Veneza118.jpg

    Ever been to the Vatican? Whoa.
     
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    What does economic equality look like, exactly? In exchange for equal provisions, are we all expected to contribute the same amount in terms of our efforts? If not, how is that exactly fair? Us "Bible-thumpers" believe in helping the needy but also believe that all of us are accountable.

     
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    You are transposing older values on what is going on today, when this and the Vatican was built it was a different time and the tribute to their "god" and belief system allowed for the best to be used in their worship. Michelangelo did most of what he did because of his faith, not because of financial renumeration. Difficult concept for some, but all of it is part of their long history.

    You want to destroy history to feed the poor?? In reality every diocese has valuable property it has been bequeathed by rich parishoners. Unfortunately, due to their poor performance in the diddling "scandals" they have had to sell some of it off to pay off law suits. There is plenty of equity left, the Catholic Church is less rich than it used to be though.

    Many parishes are struggling financially, and there has been a national trend to close or combine parishes.
     
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    Further interpretation of what the Catholic Church is calling for, wonder how John Boehner, Paul Ryan and Rick Santorum will deal with the teachings of their church.

    Vatican’s economic statement will be way to the left of Wall Street financiers | Holy Post | National Post

     
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    No, I am talking about the dynamics that lea to constructing those beautiful Basilicas while people were starving. St. Paul's was consecrated in 1626. The early 1620's saw terrible famine in Italy. I think those cathedrals act as a cautionary tale for the church (i.e. all Christians) not to neglect those in need while we focus on things that are not really spiritual.

     
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    Yes, it is truly amazing, though not surprising (to me). It's power.

    But the Vatican, along with any number of other churches in Europe, are a must-see for anybody interested in art, architecture or history -- the religious aspect doesn't even have to be relevant.
     
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    Oh NO!

    Holy Diver!

    Look what I found! This is wierd!

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    Yeah, most of them are museums now anyway. Weekly church attendance in Italy is way, way down.
     
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    The Catholic Church has pretty much always operated this way, like it or not, people, even though they were starving, built these cathedrals as a testament of their faith. They did not alienate any of these folks because of these buildings, in fact probably solidified their base.

    Trying to transpose the beliefs of protestants of today, to what was the belief system at that time is folly. This is what they did to symbolize their religious beliefs and faith in their church.

    By doing this they were "storing up their treasures in heaven", these cathedrals and churches are the living testament of their faith.

    Today it is much different, as any new church is more about function than ornamentation.. and why so many of the older churches are revered, as they are reminders of what was.
     
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    Weekly Catholic Church Attendance across the world for the most part is down.. it is not exclusive to Italy.

    I suspect many other religions are also down as well.

    One of the top tourist attractions in Rome is the Vatican.. if and when I get there, it will probably be one of the first things I do. During Easter Week and Christmas the whole plaza is filled with Pilgrims.. when the pope gives his weekly blessing there are many pilgrims there as well. At any major function, i.e. beatification of John Paul II it is filled with pilgrims..
     
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    I think that is always true when we are looking back and evaluating the ideas, beliefs and actions of those that came before us.
     
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    13 is correct. Many "Born Again" Christians and Evangelicals agree with Reverend Jeffress - and regard Catholics as they regard Mormons - as a cult.

    Only they think the Catholic Church came straight from Satan rather than through a man such as Joseph Smith.

    The early church was corrupted by this Babylonian mystery religion and today the Roman Catholic Church is the result of that corruption.

    Much of what you see in the Catholic Church today doesn’t come from God’s word. It comes from that cult-like, pagan religion … Isn’t that the genius of Satan? If you want to counterfeit a dollar bill, you don’t do it with purple paper and red ink. You’re not going to fool anybody with that. But if you want to counterfeit money, what you do is make it look closely related to the real thing as possible.

    And that’s what Satan does with counterfeit religion. He uses, he steals, he appropriates all of the symbols of true biblical Christianity and he changes it just enough in order to cause people to miss eternal life.


    Read more: Jeffress last year: Catholicism 'counterfeit religion' - Alexander Burns - POLITICO.com
     
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    You've never heard of "Protestants"? Really?
     

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