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  1. Holy Diver

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    "USA's Healthcare system is the best in the world!"

    I hear that a lot from conservatives (mostly those on the take from insurers) and people who repeat that claim, despite the W.H.O.'s report that we rank 37th although we pay the most.
    I heard a great question from a caller on talk radio this morning, and thought I'd bring it up for discussion here.

    Lets assume for sake of argument that we DO have the #1 system.

    If we have the best system in the world, who on Earth is attempting to copy it....


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    Yea, that's why you here about all those famous people, both in Hollywood and in Washington, go to other countries for their healthcare. You know who I mean.....um.....ahhh......never mind, can't think of anyone at the moment.

    And nobody important from other countries ever come here from important medical procedures. Nobody. Never. Absolutely not.

    <satire off>
     
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    Oh...I'm not saying it ISN'T the best for Millionares and Billionares.....for them its frickin SWEET. Funny how you include 'Hollywood'...but not Rush Limbaugh...classy move, Joey.


    I'm still looking for an answer.


    IF OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS SO GOOD, WHAT OTHER NATION IS ATTEMPTING TO COPY IT?
     
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    That's because all those "famous people" can afford to stay here - however "medical tourism" is spreading - rapidly.

    A forecast by Deloitte Consulting published in August 2008 projected that medical tourism originating in the US could jump by a factor of ten over the next decade. An estimated 750,000 Americans went abroad for health care in 2007, and the report estimated that a million and a half would seek health care outside the US in 2008. The growth in medical tourism has the potential to cost US health care providers billions of dollars in lost revenue.

    http:www.Medical tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Next year alone, an estimated 6 million Americans will travel abroad for surgery, according to a 2008 Deloitte study. "Medical care in countries such as India, Thailand and Singapore can cost as little as 10 percent of the cost of comparable care in the United States," the report found.

    Companies such as Los Angeles-based Planet Hospital are creating a niche in the service industry as medical travel planners. One guidebook says that more than 200 have sprung up in the last few years. "We find the best possible surgeons and deliver their service to patients safely, affordably and immediately," said Rudy Rupak, president of Planet Hospital. "No one should have to choose between an operation to save their life or going bankrupt."


    http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/27/india.medical.travel/index.html
     
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    So.....Juneau....

    I guess that an estimated 750,000 people who go to other countriesfor healthcare is something you didn't bother to Google....

    ehhh?


    still waiting for the answer to the question .... (Here's a hint: the answer is _____)
     
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    We may not have the best healthcare system, but we have the best
    doctors and hospitals.

    What good is a cheap healthcare system, if the doctors and equipment
    are not great?

    Foreign leaders come to America for their health care !
    The price may not be cheap, but they get what they pay for.
     
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    In a comparison with five other countries, the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States first in providing the “right care” for a given condition as defined by standard clinical guidelines and gave it especially high marks for preventive care, like Pap smears and mammograms to detect early-stage cancers, and blood tests and cholesterol checks for hypertensive patients. But we scored poorly in coordinating the care of chronically ill patients, in protecting the safety of patients, and in meeting their needs and preferences, which drove our overall quality rating down to last place. American doctors and hospitals kill patients through surgical and medical mistakes more often than their counterparts in other industrialized nations.

    Life and death. In a comparison of five countries, the United States had the best survival rate for breast cancer, second best for cervical cancer and childhood leukemia, worst for kidney transplants, and almost-worst for liver transplants and colorectal cancer. In an eight-country comparison, the United States ranked last in years of potential life lost to circulatory diseases, respiratory diseases and diabetes and had the second highest death rate from bronchitis, asthma and emphysema. Although several factors can affect these results, it seems likely that the quality of care delivered was a significant contributor.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html?pagewanted=print
     
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    And they work just wonderfully for those who can afford to access them, I'm sure.

    I guess it all boils down to if you're content to be known as "the best" for a select few people or if you'd prefer to have affordable health care for everyone. Seeing as how this is suppposed to be a country founded on the principal of equality for all I'd say we're doing a pi$$-poor job.
     
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    I know a lot of people out of work and without medical in a state that
    requires everyone have medical.

    Last year a close fiend who was 60 without insurance had chest pains.
    He went to the emergency room and they kept him until they were
    able to insert 2 stints to open his clogged arteries.

    He did not pay a dime & received top care.

    I see a lot of Hatians are being flown to American for medical treatment.
    How much do you think the Hatian goverment is going to pay us for
    their medical bills?

    Did France offer to pay for their medical bills or offer any type of
    medical service to the Hatians?

    You seem to love to toot the French horn.
    Too bad your French horn plays nothing but sour notes.
     
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    And how does your fiend get his follow up care?

    For that matter, how do you know that the stints (stents) inserted were "top care" treatment? Perhaps he would have benefitted more by open heart surgery or a complete bi-pass but was given a cheaper, more temporary treatment.

    Yes, actually they did.

    1. Evacuations and repatriations

    2,769 people have been evacuated, either to metropolitan France (1,642 people) or to the French West Indies (1,127 people). The 2,769 people evacuated include 1,221 French nationals, 1,216 Haitians, 47 [non-French] European Union citizens, 57 nationals of other countries and 278 children who are in the process of being adopted by French families.

    2. Medical care

    232 of those evacuated or repatriated were hospitalized, the majority to the French West Indies.

    7,200 consultations, almost 1,300 admissions and 364 surgical operations have taken place in the medical facilities provided by France to Haiti (field hospital, advanced medical unit and the on-board hospital of the French Navy ship Siroco)./.


    Haiti earthquake (updated 09/02/10) - France in the United Kingdom - La France au Royaume-Uni


    Funny comment to make since to my knowledge I've never mentioned France or The French.
     
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    Saying we have the worst system and the best hospitals, is like saying that the War in Iraq is a lie...but we have the best soldiers.



    NOBODY is copying our system because it is busted beyond belief.
     
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    Then why do foreign leaders come to American when they have a medical
    problem?

    Why don't they go to France or Canada ?

    I am on the record in favor of health care reform.
    I don't even have a problem with a public option.

    I do think it should only be for Americans !

    I just have a problem with you quesiton the ability of American doctors and
    Hospital.

    If you were real sick, where would you go to be treated if you had
    a choice of any place in the world?
     
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    This is a complete suprise to me !
    I know they did very little in the first couple weeks following the quake.

    It is nice to see they offer them more than the tents they offered us
    after 9/11/01.
     
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    That's not the actual problem, tho, is it?

    Many people here don't have a choice - not even those with insurance. Insurance companies tell you who you can go to, they tell you what you can have done, and when and where and how.

    And if you don't have insurance at all - you don't really get a choice of anything other than an emergency room - who will take care of your immediate problem but do nothing in the way of future prevention or long-term management.

    The only people who have a "choice" are those who are wealthy enough to afford medical care of any sort.

    The rest of the people who are not wealthy or who do not have insurance are, more and more, going out of the country. By the millions.
     
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    so If you get sick while on 'holiday' in Manchester England, you believe they shouldnt treat you, because you are not from the UK?


    I never questioned a single hospital, nor a single doctor, or nurse or orderly...YOU are implying that since I said OUR SYSTYEM is ranked 37th by the WHO, that I have something against our doctors.

    I never said anything you are implying about our medical professionals. I'm talking about the system that puts a profit first insurer in between a patient and doctor.



    still waiting for the answer to the original question....
     
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    I assume this is your first question?
    If not - please repost it...

    There is no sence in answering this question, because I have zero desire
    to step foot in the uk/euro land again.

    If I did... I would have any emergency care done and my insurance company would pick up the tab. If I needed a complicated procedure done. I would
    wait if possible to return to the USA. If I couldn't wait, I would buy a
    rabbits foot and rub it before I had the procedure done.
     
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    You didn't answer my question.....

    If you were real sick, where would you go to be treated if you had
    a choice of any place in the world??????


    I know the answer & you know the answer... we have the same answer.
    I know it kills you to admit it, so I will not make you say it......

    I will say it....

    Close your eyes......

    U.S.A.
     
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    The question WAS...and still IS...

    If we have the world's best healthcare system (private iunsurance with medicare kick in at 65) What other nation in the world is attempting to copy it?

    waiting....
     
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    Answer... I am sure there are plenty of nations who would love to have
    medicare kick in at 65?

    What about Haiti or Darfur.... do you think they would like the idea of
    free medical at an emergency room?

    I believe they would walk 10 miles to an emergency room for a drink of clean water.

    Now answer my question......

    If you were real sick, where would you go to be treated if you had
    a choice of any place in the world??????

    Waiting.....
     
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