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  1. Stokes

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    ...in support of Zelaya, who only wanted to blow up the country's constitution in favor of keeping himself in power. He was then removed from office and the country and replaced by the second in command from the same party with the blessing of the supreme court and with the promise of elections at the end of the year. Good god, is it really necessary to go out of our way to force this guy back into power? This wasn't a case of a coup, this was a President acting illegally being removed and replaced by his VP with elections to come. Yikes.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/09/03/us_cuts_aid_to_honduras/

    How about at the LEAST just sitting on the sidelines rather than actively taking a role in restoring him?!?
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    This is 100% totally shameful and disgusting. Shades of the hard Left Congress of the early 1980s when they didn't even have the decency to fund the native American Nicaraguans who were being slaughtered by the communist Sandinistas. Private individuals had to raise the money to support those Miskito Indians in Nicaragua, while the pompous ass, self-righteous Hard Left Ted Kennedy, Frank Church, and Marxist Ronald Dellums were selling their snake oil lies to the rest of Congress.

    No wonder most Americans want the entire Congress to be replaced. They are all so out of touch -- following the Ted Kennedy example of "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy -- there is virtually zero honor or decency left on Capitol Hill.

    Disgusting. Throw them all out, at least all those who vote to cut aid to Honduras for their courage to uphold their own Constitution and not bow down to this tin-horn wannabe dictator, Zelaya.


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  3. Wildo7

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    Are you really this clueless or do you just consider this lying for a good cause? Almost nothing you wrote here is even remotely accurate.

    Zelaya is the democratically elected President that a majority of the Honduran population supports. You can't just have a minority coup because you don't agree with his politics, that's what democracy ids intended for. You see this same intimidation tactic from the right in this country; they lose an election then try to paint the President as a tyrant so that they can subvert democracy, overthrow him and install their own guy. That's why you have all these clueless loonies running around with guns talking about "refreshing the tree of liberty" as if that's really what the founders intended; for a minority to overthrow the democratically elected leader because they have a slightly different ideology. Zelaya has the constitutional power to do everything he's done. If he didn't, he wouldn't have been able to do it. Because he's a "leftist" doesn't mean you get to subvert democracy and wage a coup. Seriously, pick up a fvcking newspaper that isn't the Washington Times for once in your silly life and think for yourself.

    As for the Sandinistas, you have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about (as usual). The Sandinistas rose to power after Somoza, a brutal US-BACKED dictator tyrannically took over the country when Sandino was assasinated in 1934. The U.S. sponsored decades of brutal oppression against Nicaraguans under the Somoza (a DICTATORSHIP) all the way until 1979 untile he was finally overthrown. The various guerillas waging a bloody coup on civilian populations in Nicaragua (including the miskito indians) were trained and funded by the U.S., who has committed so many atrocities in South America it's hard to keep count.

    You could not be any more wrong about everything you said.

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    Hey Foggy do you really think their Constitution says its ok for the Vice President to order the arrest of the President?
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    He was removed illegally from by the Supreme Court. Honduras, with a history of right-wing military coups and torture, should be held accountable. They have an impeachment process, which they should have followed.
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    Foggy doesn't know what their constitution says or even what is involved in this ILLEGAL coup. He's just reiterating what the Washington Times told him to think.
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    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

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    Thanks to Reagan and his right wing covert army, there are literally millions dead in Latin America. How Fog thinks he has a leg to stand on talking about "tyrants" is completely laughable, especially after he mentions a country in which the U.S. installed a murderous dictator in order to support his laughably ignorant position.
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    Nah, I'm VERY clued-in, as it were. But it sure seems you could get one, and benefit GREATLY by it.

    The FACT is Zelaya tried to mimic the blatant power grabs of Hoooogo Chavez in Venezuela and his bud in Bolivia, Evo Morales, who both arbitrarily changed their nation's constitutions so they could have extended stays as presidents of their countries. They are both left-wingers who have stolen foreign investments in their countries under the guise of "nationalizing" them.

    Zelaya is of the exact same ilk, a thief who tried to become "Thief of Honduras for Life" and got caught by the Honduran Congress and the Honduran Courts.

    Here's a clue: the reason there are THREE branches of government -- executive, legislative, and judicial -- in modern democracies is so that no one branch may take dictatorial control of a country. But for the ideological fanatics of the left, no piddling thing like a "constitution" ever stopped them from wreaking their havoc and destruction. From Lenin to Mao to Ho to Castro to Pol Pot to Che to all the rest of the Hard Left, constitutions are for toilet paper, nothing else. And Zelaya fits that mold to a "t".


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    Notice how all the lefties hate it when someone dares stand up to the power-grabbing dictators of the world???? Why all those people who actually want to see their constitutions FOLLOWED are all "counter-revolutionaries"!!!! Hang 'em high!!! Firing squads at dawn, if not sooner!!!! Drive 'em all into the jungles and snap their necks with machetes or hoes, as the Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia's "Killing Fields".

    Disgusting. Will never be tolerated again. EVER.


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    Many on the left considered the entire Bush regime to be one giant power-grab. Would they be justified in forcedly overthrowing the government? You don't get to subvert democracy just because you disagree with the policy, that's what ELECTIONS are for. This is what the right doesn't understand and it's cost a great many lives.
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    you would have had no problem with this notion as recently as a year ago, so stop
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    I don't know anything about Honduras.
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    One more thing you have in common with Fog.
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    I think it's a good idea financially.

    Now all we have to do is cut off the rest of the countries while we get back on our feet.
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    So that's EXACTLY why the extremists on the left have no credibility. They do not understand the difference between a lawful, constitutional election and a naked power-grab. If someone is doing what THEY want then NOTHING is off the table; but if someone is not doing what they want they want that person sent to Leavenworth and shot (or at least NEM did, and he's echoed by the Michael Moore's out there; David Letterboys, Bill Mahers, Jon Stewartsteins, etc.)



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    No bleeping poop Wistah.
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    GFY, I repeated stated on this board that impeaching Bush would have been wrong. It was disgusting in fact when your kind did it to Clinton because they disagreed with him politically, my opinion hasn't changed.
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    I think you're onto something. :cool:
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    Ah but isn't that in fact what Zelaya was trying to do? He was forcing his military to distribute material for a vote on re-election that the Honduran Supreme Court, Congress, Attorney General, and Electoral Tribunal all ruled illegal/unconstitutional. He was promising to fire generals that did not follow his order and promised promotions to lower ranked officers that would. At what point do his actions warrant his ouster? Also it was not a minority coup, as he was in fact replaced by another member of his own party (the VP) who promised to uphold the constitution and have elections this year. The categorization of this as just another latin american military coup is a complete mischaracterization, and to me the Obama administration's stubborn refusal to recognize this is a major mistake. At the very least I'd be OK with them saying they thought it was wrong and just letting it play out from there, why is there this need to get involved? Not a good decision IMO.

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