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    1. We are not the richest. The EU has a significantly higher GDP than the US does. Our system of 'capitalism' is also essentially socialism for only the rich. In fact, China right now is more purely capitalist than the US is right now.

    2. We do not have the best, nor the most efficient health/medical system. The EU spends 9% of GDP on health care, compared to 15% of US GDP. Europeans also live longer than Americans, despite spending significantly less of GDP.

    3. We do not have the best educational systems. From elementary school, middle school, high school, and even college, our students lag behind our European and Asian counterparts. The only edge we have are the half dozen top research universities funded significantly by the government.

    4. One truth, however, is that we do have the best military, and the most blood on our hands of anybody since WWII. Even going back before WWII, it could be made the the genocide of Native Americans was as worse if not worse than any other event in the past 500 years.
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    #12 Jersey

    Actually, we spend the most on our military but that doesn't necessary mean we're the best.

    It depends on how you mean the word "best," of course.

    We're not the largest - not by a long shot. China's all over us on sheer numbers of military personnel. We're not even #2 on that list - India is....nor are we #s 3, 4 or 5.

    World Top Ten Countries With Largest Armies

    The British Armed Forces are often recognized as being the best trained military forces world-wide.

    British Armed Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Israel is the only country in the world with an operational anti-ballistic missile defense system on the national level. Their weapons are also among the most sophisticated in the world with many of them being developed right in Israel.

    Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Many of your facts are innaccurate. No matter, maybe you ought to accompany BO and appologize to the rest of the world for America, since it's such a terrible country.
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    I think it is pretty amazing how so many people are risking their life and limb to move into the United States while some people who are already here have nothing but bad things to say about it (yet they refuse to leave).
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    Well, his first "fact" is technically accurate but extremely misleading (although I disagree that a 5% higher GDP is considered "significant"). Setting aside the fact that he is comparing 1 nation to an organization that represents 27 nations, an interesting fact is the U.S. has a higher per-capita GDP over the EU by roughly 50%.

    When an organization with 500 million citizens barely edges out the U.S. with our 300 million citizens, I do not see that as evidence of a systematic shortcoming in America.

    Another interesting fact is our GDP is about 4 times that of China, and about 14 times per capita.
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    What we are good at is developing huge government, complete with many regulations and the accompanying large expenditures necessary to develop such..

    We are also good at maintaining the military industrial complex with little oversight despite their continual fraud, misconduct and sometimes faulty products... would think that congress and the media would be as vigilant toward them demanding oversight and accountability as they are about ACORN... in Iraq Blackwater overcharged 55 million for security services they did not perform... ACORN has gotten 53 Million since 1993, yet we are vigilant over what amounts to an "entrapment' Video... Blackwater was given a contract to supply fuel in Iraq, so instead of being happy with the contract they overcharged the US for fuel... they have had scandal after scandal, now their founder Erik Prince, a native of hollland, is implicated in murder... yet there is no outrage, only peaceful acceptance of the crimes of those who steal from the government only to get more and more...

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6740735.ece


    Was thinking the other day about an ad for Boeing that I saw advocating for the air fuel tanker bids... who pays for the ad???, who pays for the lobbyists???... we do as the american taxpayer, seems very perverse to me, yet their is no outrage... as long as the military industrial complex continues to rule inside the beltway,we will be in serious trouble.. spend time worrrying about ACORN, all the while companies of Xe now have a standing army of 20,000 men...
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    If you're so upset about Blackwater and ACORN, why don't you start your own thread instead of hijacking someone elses? Although I am sorry to see you get your panties tied in a knot because all the ACORN corruption is finally being exposed - yes, a great reason to get all huffy.
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    If you do not see the connection you are wearing the rightie blinders once again.. the duplicity and hypocrisy is obvious, there is a great push to do away with ACORN...all the while the defense contractors, defraud, kill and commit a myriad of crimes... get a free pass.. if that is not a misception on capitalism, not quite sure what is... the very basic values of our society are brought to light.. those with power will never let it go,all the while those will less power will get trampled over... equal application of the law is a misconception of all misconceptions.

    I have no problem with ACORN, getting exposed... my problem is the selective effort while those in the military industrial complex get a pass.
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    It's simple we need the military industrial complex. We don't need organizations such as acorn.
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    Do we need all the fraud, crimes and illegal activity that goes along with it?? Or maybe you are comfortable with the lie that there is an equal application of the law??

    We need Xe, APF, Wackenhut, Haliburton and all the rest?? If their hallmark was honesty and integrity maybe, but as they stand right now, no they are not needed.
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    At the rate we're going they are the only industry we'll have left. If we required 100% honesty and integrity from all industries and corporations. We would be waiting a long time for a whole lot of nothing.
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    The EU isn't a country. I hate to break that to you. China...hahahahaha

    2) Life expectancy. hahahahahahaha

    3) Now you're on to something. You can thank the gubmit indoctrination camps known as US public schools.

    4) We have the best military. We also spend retarded money on it. Way too much IMO. We should be isolationists. We should worry about the US, and only the US. Of course, one problem with all that blood we carry on our hands, is that it's helped free, or maintain freedom, for pretty much the entire world, at one time or another. No one is perfect you know. Our imperfection doesn't come without significant contributions.
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    Do you hate this country or something? You sound like someone who simply wanted to say something negative about the military here. Clearly this isn't something you understand all that well (not that I'm some expert mind you. Toe to toe, no country on the planet could match blows with us. China does have numbers. However, quantity doesn't equal quality. Oh, and as for the Brits who I respect tremendously, have you seen how they handled southern Iraq? Best trained my arse.
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    This is well written. I didn't respond to the "blood on our hands" comment because I though it was too ignorant of a statement to respond to. Either the original poster is so ignorant he has never heard of never heard of Cambodia, Bosnia, Bangladesh, Rwanda and Darfur or he is just hell bent on advancing an "America sucks" agenda.
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    I can understand people not liking our interventionalist agenda. I personally don't like it either. There is some validity to the point about our having blood on our hands. The flip to that though, is the blood we've spent securing liberty, and freedom across the globe. I think we'd all prefer that our might is used as righteously as possible. The problem is that we all don't see righteousness through the same set of eyes. Regardless, I can understand the sentiment of some, but when people only point to the negatives, it points to an agenda IMO.
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    Her response was so poorly written and so poorly supported, that I honestly could not figure out if she was being serious or sarcastic. I was tempted to respond with the following:

    The United States is far and away seen as the best military in the world.

    United States armed forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    #12 Jersey

    Really? Why then, pray tell, have we not won a war since WWII? It's not for lack of trying, I don't think.

    About as well as we have. We're still there too, remember?

    I'm neither pro-military or anti-military. What I am is truthful. Our military is good, I'm not doubting that or arguing that - all I'm saying is you can't make blanket statements without some sort of back-up and not expect to have them challenged. We waste alot of money, we don't take good care of the military we do have - we abandon them when they come home, we make promises we don't keep, we send them into war without proper equipment, we discriminate against women, we keep gays under wraps, we hire independant contractors and expect them to take the place of our own forces, we exhaust our troops, mentally and physically, but sending them back into combat situations over and over again with little or no regard for their well-being, we spend a good deal of cash, time and effort which does not necessarily get spent in the right place.

    It's also interesting that most of you who are so very quick to praise our military are also the same ones who are so quick to condemn their commander-in-chief.
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    We have won three wars since WW2: The Cold War and the The First Gulf War were outright wins, pure and simple. We also won the Second Gulf War. Yes, right now we are bogged down in nation building, but it certainly was still a win considering we got rid of Hussein and his government.

    We could also say we won the War in Afghanistan, but I am not counting that since I am not sure it rises to the level of "war." Afghanistan wasn't even an organized country when we arrived so for the sake of argument I will consider it more a military maneuver instead of a war.

    Korea was a stalemate, Vietnam was a loss. Unfortunately I don't have a spare 4 hours available to write a thesis on precisely why those results are as they are.
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    Bogged down in nation building... have any more of that kool aid, Mr. Jones???

    Please tell us your esteemed definition of "level of war", cannot wait to be enlightened on this one:rolleyes:

    Believe us most of us do not want to hear 4 hours of history book regurgitation and revisionist history... so spare us all the grief.

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