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    http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hOvtO6_cfHI0OlieoSURzohU0elA

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    Strange that this isn't in the main streem media today...
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    Democrats in the US Senate have demanded a criminal investigation into so-called waterboarding by government interrogators.

    It comes after the Bush administration admitted for the first time that the tactic was used on three terror suspects.

    In congressional testimony, CIA director Michael Hayden became the first administration official publicly to acknowledge the agency used waterboarding on detainees following the September 11 2001 terrorist attacks.

    Waterboarding involves strapping a suspect down and pouring water over his cloth-covered face to create the sensation of drowning. It has been traced back hundreds of years, to the Spanish Inquisition, and is condemned by nations around the world.

    "We used it against these three detainees because of the circumstances at the time," Mr Hayden told the Senate Intelligence Committee. "There was the belief that additional catastrophic attacks against the homeland were inevitable. And we had limited knowledge about al Qaida and its workings. Those two realities have changed."
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    I thought it was common knowledge that WB'ing is what made Kalid Sheik Mohamed talk? I saw Brian Ross on The Factor with some lady from Human Rights Watch talking about it. Ross said nothing worked with Mohamed, who I believe asked for his lawyer when he first got pinched, and that all changed when they water boarded him. I'd like to know exactly what WB is. I've seen people try to speculate about what's involved.
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    I hope they waterboarded the m*therf*cker just for the fun of it... then smacked him around for sh*ts and grins too... and if you took a poll of Americans the evening of September 11, 2001, and asked if they would support the torture of that day's mastermind, you'd get about a 99.9% "yes" vote.
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    Much better to get no information I guess :rolleyes:
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    Open your eyes, buddy, it was in the original post :)

    "Waterboarding involves strapping a suspect down and pouring water over his cloth-covered face to create the sensation of drowning. It has been traced back hundreds of years, to the Spanish Inquisition, and is condemned by nations around the world."
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    When you pulled that figure out of your sphincter, did it hurt?

    Anyhow, where's bin Laden? Why don't these highest-level captured AQ operatives ever get a public trial? Oh, that's right. They'd talk. And we can't have that, can we?

    What a sad, angry little Bunker-ite you are, Obi-Qui.
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    Bin Laden is dead....and has been for quite some time.
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    Save Lives
    Waterboard Now
    God Bless America
    Waterboarding Savages Is Fun
    Praise God
    Death To The Enemy


    :bricks:
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    Just imagine what they don't admit...
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    Isn't it when they hold your head by your hair in water until you confess to your knowledge?

    It's something like that anyways...
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    I know it has the sensation of drowning, without there actually being the threat. I'm trying to picture it, as I've some people describe the technique differently. Regardless, I'm opposed to torturing prisoners, but do support coercive measures of interogation. I will also add this, if I caught some mastermind, and truly did think something was immenent, then as president, I'd like the ability to waterboard (if it's what I think it is) if I had too. I'd never physically torture under any circumstances though. No cutting, beating, or whatever.
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    Didn't he die of heart failure?

    Bin Laden, and Bush were part owners of Carlyle group.

    They own a sh!t ton of companies.

    They are MUCH more wealthy than Gates, the Mexico cellphone guy, and Buffett for sure.

    Don't believe what Forbes aka National Enquirer tells you.
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    Yup. They'd spill the beans on the luncheon they had right before 9/11 with Cheney and Bush. Either that or they'd reveal the secret location of the movie set where all the muslim looking actors were filmed giving their hate vids from "caves". :rolleyes:
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    I don't know. It could be TG. I've seen a couple of different explanations on TV. What I do know is that it involves water, and gives the prisoner the idea that he's about to drown. I remember my brother having something similar done to him in Ranger school. He explained to me that they put you in a pool with full gear, and tell you to get across without getting your weapon wet or soemthing. He said the pool isn't all that deep, but that the weight of the gear and length of the test, pretty much ensure you think you're going to drown. He guessed that waterboarding was something of a similar sensation.
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    That senators explanation sound credible?:D
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    I don't quite grasp your blatant sarcasm. The question stands, and perhaps you'll show the courage to actually answer it: Why don't the highest level AQ operatives ever receive a public trial? And why isn't bin Laden captured or killed?
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    And when waterboarding doesn't work we'll inch up incrementally. Perhaps pulling out just one fingernail on the pinky of the suspect's off hand.
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    Albert, think about it will you. In a trial Kalid's representation would call all kinds of secret agents to the stand. They'd make public all types of secret info, and the means with which that information was attained. It's really not all that complicated when you think about it.

    I've given a bunch of different reasons why UBL isn't in our hands. Try searching the forum for my past posts. Everytime I answer your questions, I find myself answering the same ones, over, and over , and over.... It's tax season so I don't have the time to be a record player for your amusement.
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    The "Bush Haters" love that "where's Bin Laden sh!t don't they" the only way to shut them up is elect Obooma or Pant Suit then Bin Laden will be forgotten the next day, they will be busy starting their own little war over in Dafur.

    WHERE'S WHITEY BULGER :confused:
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    It's not rocket science here. The cloth which is over your head gets sucked tight to your nose and mouth as you try to breathe. Physically that is what the water does and psychologically we are all wired to fear drowning. So except for someone having a stroke or a heart attack you get all the benefits that the fear of drowning would provide with little physical risk of the person dropping dead on you. When you stick someones head in water you risk them sucking the water in and choking to death ... the cloth prevents that from happening. It's not any more complicated than that.
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    Is it torture?
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    That's a good question. It certainly pushes the envelop at the least. If I had to say yes or no, with nothing in between, I'd say Yes before No. It's not like beating someone, or cutting, electric shock, or ripping off finger nails, but it's not good cop bad cop, or feeding someone 3 day old meatloaf for a month, while eating a filet mignon from across the table. I'm opposed to abusing detainees. It's just wrong. That doesn't mean I'd never permit something like water boarding under the most extreme of circumstances. Again, were I the one to make the call, I'd have to have a real good idea of what it is. I might even have someone waterboard me so I know what I'd be subjecting people to. That's me though. Concrete, I say no. Realisitically? Maybe, and I stress maybe, WB'ing would be allowed only by presidential order and only under the most extreme of circumstances. Maybe.
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    I never considered this to be torture...hard to do, yes....torture?......

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    I think it is ... for all practical purposes your brain reacts to it as if your
    drowning. Drowning someone would be considered torture ... water boarding is torture. I think the better discussion is on the effectiveness of it's use in desperate circumstances.
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    when you fall off and your nuts hitthe crest of a wave ... it is self-torture.:D
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