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  1. rookBoston

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    With Gorin gone and Seau signed, things are becoming more clear.

    QB (2) Brady, Cassel
    RB (4) Dillon, Moroney, Faulk, Evans
    WR (5) Branch, Jackson, Caldwell, Brown, Childress << I've had the same 5 since draft day
    TE (4) Graham, Watson, Thomas, Mills << and they'll all see the field... and at the same time
    OT (3) Light, Kaczur, O'Callaghan
    OG (3) Mankins, Neal, Sullivan
    OC (2) Koppen, Hochstein

    That's only 23 on O, but it's a real solid 23 top to bottom with zero fat. I dont think anything more to be wished for, including at #2 QB, #3 OT, #5 WR... simply outstanding unit: quality, depth, character and youth. This is easily the best O we've seen from the Pats since Bledsoe, Martin, Coates, Armstrong and Glenn. Even the prospect of our (potential) WR corp leaves me feeling optimistic (must sign Branch!). Evans vs. Cobbs vs. Pass is the only real controversy.


    NT (3) Wilfork, Sullivan, Smith << tough call: Klecko or Smith?
    DE (4) Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright << I cut Hill to keep Sullivan
    OLB(5) Vrabel, Colvin, Banta-Cain, Mincey, Woods << tough call: Woods or Brown?
    ILB (5) Bruschi, Seau, Beisel, Gardner, Izzo, Davis << I hope Beisel looks good on ST, or he's at risk of unemployment
    CB (4) Wilson, Hobbs, Samuel, Gay << tough call: Scott or Gay?
    S (5) Harrison, Hawkins, Sanders, Jones, Scott

    I've been worried about ILB since before the end of last season. Seau is a one-year stop gap, and hopefully has one more year in him. Luckily in this scheme, he doesn't need great to have footspeed. He can run north south, shed some blocks and plug some gaps, a la Ted Johnson. Then on third down, either Gardner, Beisel or Sanders can come in to bring the extra pass coverage skills. That solves the only real weak spot on this roster.

    This is the first 53-man where I've actually listed Sullivan on the roster. I think he'll be the key to success in a 4-3. Warren, Wilfork, Sullivan and Seymour across the front with Vrabel, Bruschi and Colvin at LB... its like a dream come true.

    K Gostkowski
    P Miller
    LS Paxton

    All I can say is WOW. On paper, this team is really coming together.
     
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  2. rookBoston

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    Man, I forgot Willie Andrews our sure-thing KR, and the guy who'll make us forget Bethel Johnson.

    Someone has to go. It'll either be LeKevin, Mincey, Woods, Beisel, Scott or Gay.

    Talk about tough cuts.
     
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    How long has Sully been working at OG?
     
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    I had a few disagreements:

    I think Britt and Cobbs also make the team.

    Brown, Beisel, Izzo, Mincey, Hill, Klecko,Sullivan, Warfiled and Guss Scott are gone.

    LeKevin Smith, Woods (He has been very impressive holding the edge) Andrews are kept.

    Izzo can only play special teams and we already have three of those players. Davis, Gardner, and Alexander can fill the Special Teams roles and contribute on Defense. Klecko's two sacks are not enough to save him this year! My Klecko jersey is going into mothballs!
     
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    Can't argue with much! The offense is looking pretty well set, assuming Branch...well, you know. My one question is the OL, where you have just a single backup tackle. Are you assuming that Mankins is the de facto 4th tackle?

    On defense, I don't even feel qualified to judge Sullivan vs. Hill. I have no clue what the coaches think of Hill and we've scarcely seen any samples of his work with our own eyes. Oh, and which Scott are you keeping? I still hold out hope for snake-bitten Guss, but Chad offers some positional flexibility.
     
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    I was wondering the same!

    :eek:
     
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    If Branch is back and Gardner/Seau works out this will be an amazing team. I hope we can have a year with an average # of injuries.:D
     
  8. mgteich

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    We agreed on 49 last week; I accepted Mincey, GOST, and Evans from your list; you accepted Sullivan from mine.
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    Now, we agree on 52, assuming Stevenson is playing guard instead of Sully. Also, you have 6 ILB's, not 5 (the total is right). I would be OK with Smith as #53, but I think that the choice is close and my choice is Chad Scott.

    I'm fine with the 2 QB's. The OL is bit thin with seven plus a rook. And yes, this is the best offense since the one you mentioned.

    In the LB corp, I think that it is a matter of health. If Beisel and Chad Brown are both healthy, I would keep the vets. Woods would be fine on the Practice Squad. However, I suspect that Beisel will be healthy and Chad Brown not, and therefore agree with your choices.

    PLAYER 53
    The choices for me are Smith, Chad Scott, or Britt.

    I think that the six man line is fine and one of the best in the league. Sullivan has taken Hill's place. I'm not sure why we shouldn't Smith put on the Practice Squad. If he doesn't make it, we'll pick up another rookie NT or two for the PS. Smith wouldn't ever be active. I think that perhaps we need to see another week of Sullivan. If he is as far ahead of Smith as it seems, there is no need for Smith.

    I'm fine with having a couple of OL's on the practice squad, and I suppose Britt is eligible and will make it (same argument as Smith). But OT is a more critical. What does happen with two OT injuries? It's happened before to us, a couple of times. If Britt is cut, that means that Stevenson or Mankins is expected to be able to play OT. And, of course, I'm fine with dante's judgement in this matter.

    Finally, we come to Chad Scott, who could start at corner or safety if we needed him to (my man Chad). Chad is the consummate bb player, a veteran with flexibility and reasonable amount of talent. With luck, and health, we might not use him much, but that's fine.

    A CAUTION
    We may cut to 52, with the idea of picking someone else up off the waiver wire, as we have done before. Or, we might be still looking to pick up a player by trade.

     
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    Here is my 53-man after

    Offense 24

    QB (2) Brady, Cassel
    RB (5) Dillon, Moroney, Faulk, Evans, Cobb
    FB << Pass to PUP - he is still a valuable special teams player >>
    WR (5) Branch, Jackson, Caldwell, Brown, Childress << Branch DNR add Kight until Branch comes back>>
    TE (4) Graham, Watson, Thomas, Mills << and they'll all see the field... and at the same time
    OT (4) Light, Kaczur, O'Callaghan, Britt << Britt stays because they need insurance >>
    OG (3) Mankins, Neal, Hochstein, << Stevenson to PS and Mruczkowski is cut but on a shadow roster >>
    OC (1) Koppen

    Defense 26

    NT (2) Wilfork, Smith << Grady Jackson is still available - Klecko is gone >>
    DE (4) Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright << Hill and Sullivan are gone >>
    OLB(4) Vrabel, Colvin, Banta-Cain, Woods << Mincey is a tough call >>
    ILB (6) Bruschi, Seau, Gardner, Izzo, Davis, Alexander << Beisel and Brown are gone >>
    CB (4) Wilson, Hobbs, Samuel, Gay << Warfiekd and Hank are gone >>
    S (6) Harrison, Hawkins, Sanders, Jones, C Scott, Andrews << Guss Scott is gone >>

    Special Teams 3

    K Gostkowski
    P Miller
    LS Paxton
     
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    Re: Here is my 53-man after

    OG/C is too thin.

    No need for 5 tackles. They'll only go with 3 - 4 at the most.
     
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    Re: Here is my 53-man after

    Not to mention the fact that we have not yet cloned Kaczur.
     
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    Since we are all in such a giving mood, here is my list

    QB (2) Brady, Cassel
    RB (4) Dillon, Moroney, Faulk, Evans
    WR (5) Branch, Jackson, Caldwell, Brown, Childress <<Possibly a wiaver wire guy and Branch on the Did not report/Reserve
    TE (4) Graham, Watson, Thomas, Mills
    OT (4) Light, Kaczur, O'Callaghan, Britt
    OG (3) Mankins, Neal, Mruczkowski <<Stevenson needs a little work, a PS guy in Dante's OL factory
    OC (2) Koppen, Hochstein

    24 On the O side, with good protection for the Great One.

    NT (2) Wilfork, Sullivan << Smith to the PS, it is a good place for him
    DE (4) Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright << Trade Hill and Klecko for some draft picks or WR if possible. Though not likely.
    OLB(5) Vrabel, Colvin, Banta-Cain, Mincey, Woods << I gotta go with the young guy on the feild.
    ILB (5) Bruschi, Seau, Beisel, Gardner, Izzo, Alexander << My youth movement is on. PS Alexander is faster and stronger then Davis.
    CB (5) Hobbs, Samuel, Gay, Warfield, Andrews<< Do not lose Poteat's number.
    S (5) Wilson, Harrison, Hawkins, Sanders, Jones

    26 on the D side, heavy at LB and DB, and a little light on the DL, Scott could be a victim and either Hill or Smith kept.

    K Gostkowski
    P Miller
    LS Paxton

    PS
    QB (1) - Bramlet << He wanted to come here to learn
    WR (2) - Stone, Kight << Dreams can come true, look at Bam-Bam
    LB (2) - Roach, Mays
    RB (1) - Cobbs
    OG (1) - Stevenson << Late round pick, want to get better, welcome to the fine school of OL.
    OT (1) - Stietz << See above.
     
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    Stone isn't eligible for the PS, he's been in the league too long. I think Cobbs makes the PS over him.
     
  14. 14thDragon

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    Good point. But I thought we signed him as RFA last year?

    But Cobbs is better. I will edit.
     
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    Huh? The Pats signed John Stone as a street free agent this past spring. He was never with the Pats before 2006.

    They signed safety Michael Stone as a street free agent after Rodney got hurt last season. He went to the Texans as a UFA this offseason.

    John Stone has 1 accrued season, which makes him ineligible for the practice squad.
     
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    In my first response, I agreed on 52, and put in Chad Scott in place of Smith.

    I missed that you omitted Andrews. Add Andrews and send Smith to the practice squad and we agree on all 53.

     
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    Why so tough? Last week you needed only 6 DL's and you've added Sullivan. Shouldn't LeKevin go to the Practice Squad?


     
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    Your offense seems right on. Defense is where I have a few differences-

    DL (why bother to call them tackles or ends, they all move around) - Seymour, Warren, Fat Vince, Green, yes...but here we disagree a bit: either Hill makes the team or gets injured, I don't see him as being cut, he's too young, too big. Sullivan has upside, sure, but LeKevin is young and has yet show the propensity to be a dork like Sullivan has. Wright could be the good guy who gets cut.
    Final take-Seymour, Warren, Fat Vince, Green, Sullivan, Smith/Hill - one or the other goes PUP or IR. Wright is out.

    OLB - you're lineup has Mincey or Woods as the first backup at this point since Vrabel will be inside until further notice, that won't happen. So unless Bruschi is a lock to be ready for opening day Brown makes the squad as the 3rd OLB. But Woods has a good chance to stick also. So...
    OLB-Colvin, TBC, Brown, Woods. Brown gets the axe when Brushci comes back and Vrabel moves outside.

    ILB- You can't count Bruschi in yet, he could easily be PUP'ed. Though with only 2 QB's BB might use that extra slot to carry and inactive Bruschi for two weeks. So this list is for opening day-
    ILB- Vrabel, Bruschi, Seau, Gardner, Izzo, Alexander. Monty hits the black spot unless Bruschi is PUP'ed

    CB- Hobbs, Samuel, Gay, Warfield
    S- Wilson, Hawkins, Sanders, Jones, Andrews. Harrison is PUP'ed


    The extra mystery man? Klecko squeezes in once more as the jack of trades
     
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    Bruschi can't be PUPed. He has already practiced.

    The only player who can still go on the PUP is Patrick Pass. After Kaczur came off today, and BB saying Patrick was close to coming back, I suspect he won't stay on it either.

    (I could be wrong, though. Someone like Branch, hypothetically, who hasn't practiced yet might still be able to go on the PUP, but that would really make the active/PUP list worthless.)
     
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    Hill was at practice and can't be PUPed, Harrison can't be PUPed, Smith defintly can't be PUPed.
     

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