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    Postal Service Urged to Weigh Three-Days-a-Week Mail (Update1) - BusinessWeek

    First, they don't want to deliver on Sat. Now, they want to deliver our mails 3 days a week. If this deficit sh!t keeps up, we are lucky to have our mail delivered a day.:bricks::bricks::bricks:
     
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    This should be a powerful lesson to the increasingly small group of people who support ObamaCare.
     
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    English,please. What's your solution, mister smart guy? It's easy to identify a problem or b*tch about but unless you have a solution, you're just adding to the noise. Here the USPS knows they have a problem with the deficit and is thinking of taking steps to address it. They know that there is in-elasticity in price hikes and at some point it will result in decreasing revenue so they are looking at alternatives. If it involves 3 day a week delivery, maybe keeping 5 day a week at businesses to control the deficit as opposed to stamp hikes, I'm all for it.
     
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    I can't speak for him, but I can tell you my solution is to allow private companies to do the exact same thing. It's pretty pathetic how the government has a complete monopoly on mail delivery and still manages to completely botch it up.

    And if anyone says there is competition with the USPS, you would be mistaken. Consumers have a variety of choices for shipping packages, but when it comes to regular mail, the USPS is a monopoly. I don't see why it should be illegal for FedEx to deliver a letter for 44 cents.
     
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    Imagine what this Government will do to Health Care if it's allowed to get it's filthy hands on it, God Help Us if that Obama Crap passes.

    If Obamacrap passes will the Pelosi Gang have to go by the same rules you and I do when they need health services...:confused:
     
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    What would you do if Obama decides to cut your ObamaCARE benefits because he doesn't have money?

    ObamaCare supporters don't want to answer this question because it scares the hell out of them.:singing::singing::singing:
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Is there some reason besides sheer stupidity which makes you consistantly post titles which are totally misleading time and time again?

    USPS is NOT "cutting delivery to 3 days a week." There is no "UPDATE" which exists anywhere outside of your apparently empty head.

    What it is is this: One of THREE consulting firms hired by USPS said the following:

    Potter requested the consultants “investigate all possible options. And one of the options was to decrease mail delivery in some areas to three days due to lack of mail volume,” Brennan said.

    It is one option out of numerous suggestions given and it's not even universal.

    It seems you have a hard time understanding the written word and from your own numerous posts it also appears you DO understand pictures.

    You're :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

    Comprende?
     
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    I dunno why people would be so upset over getting mail every other day.

    btw I'm all for some private company doing what the USPS does for less or the same money as well.

    To me snail mail just isn't very important anymore, whatever gets the job done with minimal thought from me is ideal.
     
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    Don't confuse him with the facts.....
     
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    The reason that no private company delivers "the mail" is not some bloody specious monopoly. It's that they can't afford to, and neither can the USPS, from the looks of things.

    Getting a piece of physical mail from point A to point B costs dollars, not cents, through the private sector. USPS does it at a deficit, because it's their mission.

    It's delightful to watch the Ayn Randers of the world go into conniptions the moment their socialist mail service is threatened.

    By the way, people, the correct answer is: We still want reliable snail mail, as a nation (unless everybody is now like sdaniels.) There are still those who won't use electronic direct deposit, for example, and only do business by mail. Etc.

    Now, if we don't care anymore as a nation, and there will be no disruption, I have no complaint. I don't think that's the case though. And as a nation, we've long accepted the premise that although it costs more than the price of the stamp to move the mail, we indeed want to have a postal service.

    Sometimes there's simply a government role you shouldn't contract out. I'd say the armed forces are another example ;)

    PFnV
     
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    How do you know a private company couldn't do it for a profit at 44 cents? I'm not saying that one could mind you. I'm just curious how you know onw couldn't.
     
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    Because they do not offer the service - i.e., indefinite delivery date, cost at 44 cents. They would if they could. They cannot compete on that field. What they can do is guarantee overnight delivery for a few dollars; that's the niche in which everybody has kicked USPS's buttocks. There simply is no law on the books barring UPS from sending an indefinite delivery letter for 44 cents. They just don't. Since the services they can provide are not just at double or triple that, but at a whole different order of magnitude and then doubled, I would say it's a safe bet that indefinite (but tolerable) delivery date, 44 cent price point is not on their menu of profitable options. It's like asking how I know coca cola can't make a good whiskey. Maybe they can, sure--but don't you think there'd be something even remotely resembling that product if they knew how to compete in that arena?

    They're set up to take advantage of the niche of "gotta-have" mail service first thing in the morning, and variations thereof. Nobody has been able to compete for tolerable indefinite delivery at the 44 cent price point. Nobody finds it a particularly attractive niche, since the only service set up to do it cannot make a profit at it either.

    It is not a profitable endeavor. It is, however, one we seem to see as indispensable.

    PFnV
     
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    I use the snail mail about 1/5 the amount I did fifteen years ago. Ten years from now, I will most likely be able to do everything electronically. To me that's a great thing. Less trash, less trucking,...etc. I won't miss it any more than I miss the milkman (but I do miss the ice cream truck:().

    If we're all still here by then, you can say you heard it from me first...:rocker:
     
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    Most mail is delivered by private contractor. Has anyone ever seen a tractor trailor with U.S.POST OFFICE on it....no you haven't. If someone sends a letter from Boston to Providence RI do you think they drive it down in a little post office truck. Of course not, private trucking companies haul it.
     
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    You're thinking in terms of direct competition with the USPS, under the current structure of daily mail delivery. I'm speaking with respect to a total privatization of the system, or replacing the USPS with a private entity. For FedEx to go to daily delivery right now, I'd agree it wouldn't be profitbable. They don't have the structural capacity to do so, and couldn't possibly attain the volume needed with the USPS in direct competition. There wouldn't be enough letters in cirulation for 2 daily carriers to deliver. So in that regard, sure. Two could not compete and turn a profit. However, a singular entity, privately run, possibly could. Again, possibly. The USPS is required to pre-fund, to the tune of $5.4 billion annually, it's retiree health benefits. As we've stated in other threads in the last few weeks, private companies do not pay retiree's healthcare bennies till they die. Add in the pension promises the USPS owes, versus the way private sector employee retirement plans are structured, and I'd venture to guess there'd be a few more billion in savings. I want to reiterate that I am not saying it could be done, at 44 cents, with a profit, by a private firm. I'm merely saying that it could be.


    Also, another problem in your argument about not being able to do it at 44 cents, is that it assumes that the USPS is efficiently run. As most know, few, to no gubmit run operations, are efficiently run.
     
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    I'd prefer they raise their rates first.

     
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    #24 Jersey

    Jeez, where did you get this at? My father retired from the post office in 1990 or so. My mother, as surviving spouse, has her portion of Medicare deducted from her SS check and her BC/BS (government) health premium is deducted from her(his) pension check - and it's a hefty one. ( Edited to add - the premium, not the check...the check is rather small as pension checks go nowdays.)

    The goverment doesn't "pay it all," the retiree pays their portion - just like every other retiree from the private sector does if that was part of their working agreement before they retired.
     
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    Sorry, but that's just not true. No company delivers regular mail because it is illegal to do so, but shipping companies have indicated they believe they could do so and turn a profit if given the chance.
     
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    Yes, there is. There are laws that forbid private companies from delivering regular mail.
     
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    You get too emotional when discussing issues sometimes. Slow down for a second, and reread what I wrote. I never said the post office pays 100% medical for retirees. I said the post office pays medical benefits for retirees.

    Anyhow, here's some figures:

    So 10% of their annual budget goes to retiree health coverage. My earlier point was that most private businesses don't have such a burden, since private industry jobs are structured differently. So theoretically, any private institution that operated in place of the USPS, would save billions in this regard. That was my only point.
     
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