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UN's WHO: 150,000 Iraqi's have died since war began

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  1. Real World

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    Amazingly, the WHO does a comprehensive study on this very subject, and it gets no publicity. However, when a couple of bogus, slanted, and biased studies come out, with incredibly exagerated numbers, the MSM grabs it by the wings and flies with it. Why?

    Let me say again, every death is tragic. That's why wars should always be a last resort.

    From Times Online

    January 10, 2008

    Iraqi civilian death toll more than 150,000

    (Hadi Mizban/AP)

    Since the war in Iraq began, violence such as shooting and suicide bombings has been the main cause of death for men aged 15 to 59, according to the WHO survey

    Deborah Haynes of The Times, Baghdad

    About 151,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in bomb attacks and other violence in Iraq in the first three years after the invasion, according to the most comprehensive study yet into the number of fatalities.

    The World Health Organisation (WHO) based its estimate on a survey of nearly 10,000 households, conducted jointly with the Iraqi Government. It said that the actual figure of violent deaths between March 2003 and June 2006 could be as high as 223,000 or as low as 104,000.

    Many more people have died over the past 18 months, leaving the overall civilian death toll of the war to date unknown.

    Salih Mahdi Motlab al-Hasnawi, the Iraqi Health Minister, expressed confidence in the findings of the United Nations’ health agency. "This is a very sound survey,” he said, noting that the research demonstrated “a massive death toll since the beginning of the conflict”.

    The WHO estimate is much lower than a disputed tally of more than 600,000 published in the medical journal The Lancet in 2006, but it is nearly double the figure given by the human rights group Iraq Body Count, which makes its calculations from media reports and hospital and morgue records.


    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3165549.ece
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    Harryboy how do you feel about the U.N. ?
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    I find this number to be a little more believable than the ORB study... but I couldn't find much on the ORB.

    And you're right, whether it's one or one million it's sad. Death is death.
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    what's funny is that you're the one, between the two of us, calling one poll "bogus, slanted and biased" and claim the other somehow "gets no publicity"... oh the drama... (whoops, check that... plenty of World Health Organization survey publicity, including BBC, UPI, WP, CNN, MSNBC, FOX)... meanwhile, i've credited the findings of both polls and not uttered any of those three words at all about any of the death count surveys...

    wow, you do get your dander up when perspective is surmised regarding what we've done to that country, don't you?

    "no publicity at all"... ironic that you'd use the word "exaggerated" anywhere after this statement... yours here is a page right out of Fog's playbook...
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    What's the weather like in that world you live in? It sure as hell must be better than it is here. Reported, and publicity, are two different things where I come from. Tell me which reports get more pub, the Lancet & ORB propoganda studies, or the WHO/UN study which still pretty much doubles that of independent anti-war tallying sites?

    Thank you, and please drive thru. :rolleyes:
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    ah, the semantics argument... you get excellent hang time on your punts...

    well, let's see... an advanced Google search for all of the words [World Health Organization survey Iraq death count] yields some 882,000 hits...

    an advanced Google search of all of the words [Lancet survey Iraq death count] yields some 117,000 hits...

    an advanced Google search of all the words from the full [Opinion Business Research survey Iraq death count] yields a mere 127,000 hits, and an advanced Google search of the abbreviated [ORB survey Iraq death count] yields some 41,600 hits, most of them no doubt duplicates...

    yeah, i'd say the WHO survey has received quite a bit of both publicity and reports... in fact, it's not even close in comparison...

    so now you'll do an end-around and point to the immeasurable subjective OPINION that the news must have been much louder about ORB and Lancet, and glossed over WHO...

    3, 2, 1... GO...
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    Google hits? LOL, you really aren't that bright are you? Maybe you've had too many bong hits. :D
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    the difference being, of course, that i'm basing my premise on something tangible and verifiable... yet you, in all your personal insults and vim, are relying on feeling and perception... and nothing more...

    i'll harken back to your own overdramatic, goofy quote:

    "the WHO does a comprehensive study on this very subject, and it gets no publicity."​


    i ask again.... based on what?
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    meanwhile, some perspective on the Lancet survey:

    Neither George Soros nor his foundation, the Open Society Institute, had any control or influence over the design or results of the study of Iraqi civilian deaths, which was conducted by two leading American universities, Johns Hopkins and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In fact, OSI joined other donors to support the project after it was commissioned, and provided less than half of the funding.​
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    wow that is sure a lot.
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    I didn't think it was news when people die in war.
    unfortunately, that's what happens in wars... people die.
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    i guess you're only talking to yourself, as you do in every one of the whole three threads you bother entering around here the past year...

    your "ho-hum, people die a lot" attitude is typical, yet refreshing in that you at least openly admit pro-imperialism sentiment most of you people surely hold, but conveniently suppress...
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