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    I know very little about unemployment so if someone can enlighten me, I welcome the input.

    I have a lot of friends in various unions who spend the majority of the
    winter on unemployment. They sign up and collect their checks. They
    just sit around and wait for the union hall to call when a job becomes
    available. When their unemployment runs out they sign up for an extention.

    My brother inlaw recently got laid off and he is now on unemployment for
    the first time in his life (He is 45). He has to attend a manditory training
    class and provide a list of contacts and companies that he interviews with.

    I find it amazing that the unions members do not have to jump through
    these hoops because they appear to be the people who use the majority
    of the unemployment funds.

    If the union members spend 4 to 6 months of the year on unemployment,
    shouldn't their unions be charged a higher rate for the services than companies
    who keep their employers working year round?

    I believe my brother inlaw can be on unemployment for 9 months and then he
    can get an extention (3 months? I am not sure). Lets say he can be on unemployment for
    12 months and then it runs out... He has been working full time since he got out of
    college at 22. So he has worked 23 years and he will collect 1 year of unemployment
    and then his services run out.

    If a union worker is on unemployment 5 months every year from age 22 to 45, He would have
    spent 9 years and 7 months on unemployment.

    If you do not use the service shouldn't the money that your employer contributed be in an account
    so that you can get your fair share if you need it?

    If my brother in law needs it for 18 months he should be able to use it for 18 months considering
    the amount that has been contributed in his name.

    When he finds a job, the chances are he will not be back again next year like the usual suspects.
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    #75 Jersey

    Here's your short answer: The unions take millions of dollars from their members and turn around and give that money to the Democrats.

    It always amazed me, that people who work outside in massachusetts, can somehow collect unemployment during the winter. hell teachers used to collect during the summer (I don't know if that is still the case, but being the money that the NEA funnels into the DNC, I can only assume that it is still true.
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    From Mass.gov:

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    This issue has absolutely nothing to do with unions. Seasonal employees, whether members of unions or not, are entitled to unemployment benefits. What makes you think that union members get treated differently than the rest of us when it comes to government benefits?

    At any rate, what you point to is a problem in the system. Of course, our country needs seasonal workers (construction, farmworkers, etc.), so the answer may not be simple. It may be that employers of seasonal workers pay more unemployment insurance, but I don't know. At any rate, I think unemployment benefits and systems vary from state to state.
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    Don't assume.. you are wrong.. usually the feds set a lot of the guidelines etc.
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    #75 Jersey

    Where did I say it was a "Massachusetts" thing? I didn't your wrong, again, All I said is that it is amazing that people who work outside in Mass, are allowed to collect unemployment during the winter.
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    Why don't the union workers have to attend manditorty training session provided by unemployment?

    If you are on unemployment every year, maybe you are not too good at
    your trade. I know a lot of union workers who work year round. If you are
    not good at your trade, maybe you should go find a new line of work.
    Hit the pavement and go interview.

    Why don't they have a limit as to how often a worker can go on unemployment? The idea that an employee can go on spend 10 years of
    a 25 year career on unemployment is unacceptable.

    When someone who has lost their job for the first time in their career
    hits unemployment (after working for 25 years) they should be entitled
    to more than 30 weeks on unemployment considering the amount of money
    that has been contributed in their name to the fund.
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    A few years ago, I called a friend who is in the unions and we started talking
    about the election. I asked him what he was going to vote on the ballot questions and he replied.....

    Yes on 2 & No on 3.

    I then asked him why and he replied.... that is what they told us to do at the union meeting.

    I then asked him if he knew the question......
    He had no idea, of question 2 or question 3.
    He was just voting with the union.

    I know refer to him as the Local Lemming !
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    About the teachers.. Mr. Moderator.. the reason why these workers collect is that there is no construction going on.. it is not a difficult concept, there have been many changes in unemployment and how it is handled, most of which is dictated by the federal gov't.. one of the big changes is that it is now taxed..
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    Maybe you would like the steel workers to work in the middle of january... it is what it is, unemployment does pay people what they normally earn.. the reality is that the businesses they work for shut down, whether you want to believe this or not they are skilled workers.. how about they are steel workers for 10 months and waitpersons for two..

    It may be unnacceptable to you, but it is a way of life for thousands... if you asked them, sure they would like to get the prevailing wage 12 months of the year.. but it is not possible here. Unemployment barely pays the bills.
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    My best friends brother is an iron worker who has worked year round for the past 20 years. This year he got layed off for the first time since he became
    a journeyman. He has a family of 4 children, so he made a few calls and found a job in Brooklyn New York that he worked for a couple months until he got a call to go back to work in Boston. He stayed in Brooklyn during the week and drove home Friday night and to Brooklyn real early Monday morning.

    I also know other Iron workers who request a layoff when they know they
    have earned enough time to collect. These are the people that are eating
    up the funds because they spend 5 to 6 months on the dole while other
    guys go out and search for work.

    I respect guys that hunt for work, but I cannot help but question the ones
    that are on unemployment as soon as they have enough hours earned.

    If they would change the rules, the people who actually need the program
    would not be cutoff after 30 weeks.

    All people on unemployment should be treated the same.

    If I went on unemployment they would make me attend a manditory training session and I would have to provide a list of places I went to interview.
    I would probably have a problem because I would need to rely on a head
    hunter to get me an interview.

    If I would have to hit the pavement..... The Unions should also have to
    hit the pavement.

    All should be treated equal.

    They should also limit how often the union workers go on unemployment or
    the unions should pay a higher rate toward unemployment for their workers
    because they use the majority of the funds.
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    Do not blame unions because of a federal/state system.. they did not create the system, they just play it.. if you want to argue intelligently you need to provide something more than personal experience or anecdotal evidence..

    Unions don't pay anything towards unemployment, the workers and companies do.. you are looking to blame unions for a long term systemic problem.. most of what is dicated to this system is determined by the folks inside the beltway.
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    GJAJ15.... I respect your opinion as much as anyone on these boards.
    You always bring the facts to the table and you don't always lean to the
    same direction.

    I feel that pointing out that the unemployment systems flaws speak for itself.
    I should not have to produce a link to voice my opinion on common sense
    issues.

    Maybe I am wrong to point my finger at the unions, but considering the money that they throw at the democratic party, I am not suprised that
    the system is setup to favor them.

    My original post indicated that I did not have all the facts on this issue and
    I welcomed input. I appreciate your input and view, but I still feel that
    there should be limits on how often they can use the system. I also
    feel that whoever contributes to unemployment for union members should
    pay a higher rate than companies that keep their employees on the books
    year round.

    If I had a oceanfront house in Scituate, I would pay a higher rate for
    home owners insurance than someone who lived in a more expensive house
    in Lincoln.

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