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    came across this video this morning, Unification Church president Michael Jenkins tells members of Moon's cult how former president George H.W. Bush was slipped ceremonial "holy wine." It is Moon's belief that those who participate in this ceremony become part of Moon's "blessed family," giving the recipient what Moonies believe is a pure, untainted "lineage." Guess the question is where was the secret service.. this may also provide some insight to our resident preacher man and the way he thinks, this video is a GWB love fest..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkq44UTt5pI

    There is also a new book about Rev. Moon.. "Bad Moon Rising".. a bastardization of John Fogarty..

    http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Moon-Risi...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205380546&sr=8-1

    Here is a link to a blog about the Unification Church, a lot of stuff they do not want you to know..

    http://realsunmyungmoon.blogspot.com/
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    Nice video with Rev. Jenkins, though!! Thanks!!! You didn't mention that along with President George Bush (senior), the Holy Wine Blessing was also given to Congressman Dannie Davis (Democrat), and other members of Congress and government, as well (it's in the youtube link, though). And the Holy Wine Blessing continues apace even as we speak. Hallelujia, indeed. Here, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGFqCEVRIfs&feature=related

    Actually, the goal of the Unification movement is to give God's blessing to the entire human race, the good, the bad, and the ugly, as I like to say. The human race can no longer afford to be divided up into thousands or millions of separate groups, each one looking at everybody else as "the enemy". All races, all religions, all cultures, all everything is destined to join together into "one family under God".

    http://upf.org/

    The Universal Peace Federation has already held seven Global Peace Festivals all over the world, and many more are in the pipe-line. The time has come for people to set aside their small personal differences, and start seeing our neighbors as our friends, members of our extended family, even crazy ol' "Uncle Albert", living in the attic. :D

    We are one human race, and it's time for us to start living as one people under God. And we do have one person to thank for this effort: http://www.reverendsunmyungmoon.org/



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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..

    How does the excessive wealth of Rev. Moon fit in with the new deadly sins of the Vatican??.. the video is a Bush love fest, pure and simple.. I know where you get your ideas from.

    I do not have to read about Rev. Moon, I see how one of their men of the cloth behave, which has not been impressive.
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    Rev. Moon has no "excessive wealth", as you call it. Rev. Moon has raised and spent tens of BILLIONS of dollars for peace initiatives, education, dialogues, and on-going institutions, like universities (including rescuing the bankrupt University of Bridgeport, Connecticut), seminaries, and journalistic endeavors, like the Washington Times. He has spent a lot money on things that others did not seem worthwhile or did not have the vision or perseverance to carry out. Rev. Moon has single-handedly changed the world.

    Personally, I'd be embarrassed to death if Rev. Moon had to do all of this while riding around in an old beat-up used Volkswagen, so I'm happy to see him get a decent ride and live in accommodations fitting for a man in his position as a public person. Would you invite a meeting with heads of state in the local Motel 6 or even Holiday Inn??? I would not.

    Educate yourself or not; it's up to you. Can take a horse to water but can't make him drink it.


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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..

    Craig Maxim has some insight into how much money he has and the gifts he received for his 80th birthday seem a bit excessive.. I suspect his ride is better than a " beat up volkswagon".

    http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/w-1a.html


    There are also some allegations linking Moon to drug dealing..

    http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/090704.html

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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..

    Prediction:

    The new draconic forum policies, in conjuction with an outraged PM to the moderators by the "do as I say, not as i do" clergyman, will result in the locking and/or removal of this rather excellent thread.
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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..

    There has been no rule violations here, very careful to avoid the "traps".. if they close it, it will be a sad state of affairs for this board.
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    Doubtless our Moon disciple will try, try as he might.

    He has significant pull here. I'm sure he fashions quite compelling and dramatic complaint PMs.
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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..

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    Both you guys, with your hate-filled, anti-religious agendas, are transparent for all to see. You think you are "winning" by posting excerpts and links to some tin-foil cellar-dwellers, but people who think for themselves see right through your hate campaign, and you only dig a deeper hole for yourselves. You can hate all you want, but you will see where that ends up. Not a pretty place.

    "Excellent thread"?? George Orwell already wrote about such an upside-down, inside-out view of life. You make it easier and easier to be glad nobody else is like you.


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    See? .......

    Anyhow, I don't hate you, Fog. I just don't like you at all.

    But, well... You earned it.
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    You are trolling for a fight, and you know it. You have publicly said you have "no interest in reading anything on an actual Unification website", and thus you reveal your prejudice and bigotry.

    You are sowing groundless fear and hatred toward a person and a movement that you have misrepresented from the very first words you ever uttered toward same. Your only goal in publishing your hate-mongering remarks here is to drive others away from the truth, an effort you will live to regret.

    You are using this website to further your own agenda of anti-religious bias, and specifically your own unwarranted fear and hatred toward a specific religious group. If this was done toward a Jewish group, or a Muslim group, or most other Christian groups, you would face a significant risk of legal action against you.


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    You can play with semantics as Bill Clinton does, and refuse to see your hostility as hatred, but for the vast majority of posters here, your character is well known: you are a practitioner of vigilante "justice", the way YOU decide it should be done. You shall reap what you sow.

    As for "earning" your enmity, if sticking up for an old man and others whom you have brutalized on these pages is worthy of your attacks, it is you who needs a look in the mirror, not me.

    But fomenting false, groundless fear and hatred toward a duly recognized and legally operating religious body is something you would never dare to do if that body were of Jews or Muslims or some other religions. Were you to speak and act as you have toward Unificationists to any of them, you would face significant legal, as well as possibly other, repercussions.


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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..



    Why would the Unification Church care about the prnouncements of the Vatican? Any more than the DNC cares about the prnouncements of the RNC.

    BTW the Vativan itself doesn't see the pope living in poverty exactly....
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    As are you, and as will you. Hypocrite.

    Please. You entered here looking for conflict. Get off your high horse, false witness bearer. As for the "brutalization" of an old man, you really are clueless. You're talking about a man who curses and offers racial epiteths and insinuations at every turn. He earned it, and you should have minded your business and laid off the condemning "you will learn" mantra from the start. Your partisan indignance is beyond curiously selective.

    You mean, like you do regarding liberal thought, sexual pleasure, pop culture and all things Clinton? Noted, hypocrite.

    Are you sure? Look again. My how you ramble at the keyboard on a personal level without knowing a thing about the poster you're talking about.

    I've said nothing about it that isn't reported. But, trust me, if you were in front of me, I'd say the exact same. And there isn't a thing you'd be able to do about it.
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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..

    Right now I'm a little more concerned about "Terror Muslims" than I am of the Unification Church, do any of you think the Reverend Moon will someday Attack America----------:singing:
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    "Me" the hypocrite?? In your personal world of make-believe, maybe that's true. But that is YOUR make-believe world, and virtually all but a very few hard core of your fellow-elitist vigilante types knows this. "V" for vengeance is YOUR avatar, not mine.


    :rofl: "I entered here looking for a conflict"??? This GJAJ guy STARTS a "Moonie-bashing" thread, and you have the insanity to say "I am looking for a conflict"??? Do the world a favor and be the man you want others to think you are and go tell a Muslim what you have said/approved being said about Rev. Moon; walk into a wahibbi school and say about Islam what you have said about Rev. Moon. I dare you. Be the "tough guy" you want others to think you are.

    You are an utter poser and coward if you do not. Classic internet "tough guy", wetting his pants in front of a REAL person.


    "Hypocrite"??? For saying what I believe about the total failures of pop cultural "icons", like the Clintons, Madonna, Prince, et. al.?? For saying that uncommitted sexual relations are bad for society and the world???

    You're just smoking your wacky weed again. I've been as consistent as the sun rise, o mind-altered poser.


    I knew one thing about you the first time I read one of your posts: you cannot think or communicate with others without the personal put-downs, the denigration of others, the humiliations of those you speak about, all that makes your day. It's what you do. PressCoverage being PressCoverage. And not only is it hurtful to others, but, believe it or not, it makes you much less of a person, too.



    "Reported"!!! Yeah, we know. You do nothing but repeat "what is reported: in thinkprogress, moveon.org, Michael Moore's diaries, and any other agenda-driven left-wing/anarchistic source that happens to have gotten server space in the blogosphere.

    Some quality. Not. Some credibility, not. So, just because you quote from fictionalized, fantasized, rumor-mill makes you think YOU are not accountable for the falsehoods you spread???? Think again. You are FULLY accountable.
    When you willingly spread lies about others, due to a willful neglect to check and consider other alternative sources, particulary when whacking at somebody -- be it Jews, Muslims, Catholics, or Unificationists -- you better have FACTS in your report, or you are guilty of false witness. Legal parlance: slander and libel.


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    He has already "attacked" America and the rest of the world with the Holy Wine Blessing and the Washington Times.

    If you are bad: watch out!!!

    The time has come. :D


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    GJAJ doesn't give a single snort about the real issues here; his agenda is just to spew out as much hog-wash as he can find, and hope some poor gullible person will buy it. GJAJ is like the guy who said: "There's a sucker born every minute" and "You'll never go poor underestimating the intelligence of the average American." Iow, GJAJ thinks everybody is stupid.

    Surprise!!!!


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    I would love to respond to this insulting, inaccurate post, but I've been informed i'm "one point away from banning" by the moderator you predictably
    hammered out a complaint to.

    As if there was ever any doubt, it's clear you have free rein to run your mouth on a personal level (we're cowards, pot smokers, not men, hellbound, and on and on and on) without fear of reprimand, yet those you condemn can't ever hold you accountable.

    I have little doubt FTW will get his way and have me removed from here -- I get my fix on Capital Hill Blue and OpEd News, among other places. However, I'll leave here knowing I've helped the entire forum realize that Fog here is the worst offender of everything he condemns about others. The worst.
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    What you never have accepted, and apparantly still refuse to see, is that I never attack others personally; I attack their behavior, if warranted, but not the person personally.

    I know you don't want to hear it, you undoubtedly will throw it on the ground and stomp on it, but I'll say it anyway: I do, actually like and even can say I love you, PressCoverage; I just don't like some of the things you do: picking on old men, or railing against a beleaguered president, or chasing every far-flung fantasy "report" you can find in order to "one-up" somebody else. So childish, so immature, and such a waste of your very considerable abilities. You are smart, quick-witted, and very capable, but unless you harness those talents for a good cause -- God's cause -- you are like Joseph Mengele, a brilliant physician who ended up using his talents for a most ignoble cause, conducting deadly and permanently injurious medical experiments on healthy human beings.


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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..

    Wait, wait. Don't soften now. You're patronizing me, and that's almost as insulting.

    Did you or did you not fire off a complaint to FTW, as predicted at the beginning of this thread? Did you, or did you not, in fact go on the attack by calling another poster a coward and questioning their manhood?

    Further, if I merely commented on your "behavior" as a Unificationist, would you have somehow refrained from your campaign of having every thread you dislike locked down?
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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..

    Did you fogbuster?
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    No, I did not go on the "attack". :wha: That is the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen in my life. You are making George Orwell blush in his grave. The OP starts a thread made of anti-Moon droppings, then follows up with even worse lies and disinformation, you chime in as the cheerleader in chief, and you talk about "attacks"!! Wow, you are becoming the poster child for what happens when someone goes off the ideological deep end.

    Anyhow, you can persist in your attempts to spin yourself as the victim, but evidence exhibits A, B, C, and on are your statements along with the OP's, just in this thread alone. You are making it clear why there are laws now against hate crimes.

    When you show a semblance of listening to the facts and the truth, when you even take issue with anything that has been actually posted on a Unification website, anything related with names, places, events, dates, photos, videos, and on and on -- every conceivable fact one could ever want, should that individual be interested in the the facts -- please give me a call back. Until then, you are only after spin cycle victory, and you haven't earned it, are you therefore won't get it from me.

    Get off your one-sided hate campaign against individuals and fix your sights on bad behavior and everyone will be better off, starting with yourself.


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    Did you complain to FTW?
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    You got a problem if I did?



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    Why did you complain?
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    The original poster, by his own admission on this site, says he will not consider information about the Unification movement from any movement website, yet he routinely posts lies, slander, and only a one-sided negative viewpoint on the UCM. That is the definition of religious bigotry and prejudice. Using this web site to further such bigotry is committing a hate crime.


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    Re: Some insight into the Unification Church..

    Hate is too strong of an emotion that I try to avoid, it is not about winning it is about showing the obvious discrepancies between the ideas of the Unification Church and the practice.. I have a problem with any religion that uses its influence to garner wealth or gain political stead.. if Rev. Moon makes 5 billion dollars and give away 2 Billion is he still a hero??? I think not, I have a problem with his and his children's lifestyle.. which is a couple of steps up from a beat up volkswagen..
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    I don't have to read the website and any other propaganda, all I have to do is read your posts which are quite telling.. actions speak louder than words.. it is a simple concept. BTW how is a speech by the US president of the Unificationists a negative viewpoint of the UCM.. all he did was a good old fashion B washing of the president.

    Saying someone is committing a hate crime, shows you lack of knowledge of the US justice system.. all I do is post information from websites which refute your arguments, you exposed yourself as a unificationist.. and you preach at every opportunity. I have never sworn at you, I have never threatened you.. as far as a possible crime goes look at yourself.

    BTW do not judge, lest you be judged.
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    If Rev. Moon -- or anyone, for that matter -- raises $5 Billion and uses $4.999 billion of it for public benefit, and that someone has no personal ownership of said enterprises, is that person raising the money primarily for personal gain or for the public good? I would say without a doubt the person contributes far more than the average generous benefactor to society, far more than virtually anybody that I know, in fact.

    This is what Rev. Moon has done, and continues to do. From rescuing the bankrupt and soon to be closed, University of Bridgeport, to raising a Catholic seminary in upstate New York from abandonment, to bringing the great old New Yorker Hotel out of mothballs (and running it as World Mission Center for 25 years, making zero money on the property, for anyone), as well as starting up and maintaining the daily newspaper, Washington Times, to hundreds of other similar projects, Rev. Moon has easily set all records in charitable work. No one in history has done what he has for the benefit of others.

    The fact that continue to run from these facts indicates a very strong bias, a bigotry, and a prejudice that permeates your attitude toward a new religious movement. Nobody is forcing you to join or even personally accept the Unification movement, but the minute you start using the public airwaves/websites to promote you anti-Unification agenda is the moment you cross the line into mongering hatred and prejudice; and that is now illegal, as well as being immoral.

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