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    The mandate to purchase was found unconstitutional, and unseverable from the health care bill and thereby the whole act is void!!! Judge says only the SCUS can expand on the commerce clause to change this rulung.

    Buh Bye Obamacare!!!!
     
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    Our President ... a supposed expert in Constitutional law ... has a hand in writing a bill that is not Constitutional and his eligibility itself may not be Constitutional ...

    You can't make this stuff up.:bricks::bricks::bricks:
     
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    His ARROGANCE is mind boggling.
     
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    We are minions Harry ... not intelligent enough to know what is best for us.
     
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    Whereas the individual mandate does not kick in till 2014, the judge did not file an injunction to halt the whole thing AT THIS TIME. He guesses that this will be in front of the SCUS before then anyway.

    Therefore rules like not allowing the insurance companies to break their contracts with patients who fall ill by dropping them, or dismissing patients for pre existing conditions when they join in an open enrollment are still in effect.

    If he had enjoined, the govt would have filed an emergency appeal today in federal appellate court. This gives Congress and the POTUS time to fix this thing, and installing things like torte reform to lower costs to make this all work. Its a shame he did.

    The Federal govt should not have this over reach at all. Yes, they should be involved with companies manipulating and illegally voiding contracts. Other than that, its a States issue.

    Mass already has a pos universal health care system in place (and is exempt from Obamacare, but what about the taxes? this should be a separate line like SS and medicare on deductions to be truly exempt). But it is their right to do so, as much as I hate it. Other states choose not to. That is their right too. This is not an issue for the Federal government to concern itself with.
     
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    Fine with me. Now when will we be eliminating the VA, Congressional health benefits, and Medicare?

    This oughtta be lotsa fun!
     
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    What did we expect from a bill crafted behind closed doors, without debate and public scrutiny. The democrats who voted for it were threatened with everything but the kitchen sink. All who voted for this bill should be tossed to the wolves.
     
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    Hopefully right after we eliminate so many departments and phifedoms, like the Dept of Education, for instance. Reagan wanted to eliminate it, but Congress prevented it. Its 30 years overdue.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    A bit over-dramatic, ya think? This and Riots in Europe because of healthcare?

    They really screwed up when they took the single-payer option off at the beginning. Either eliminate the middle man by replacement or don't do it at all. Health insurance companies suck as bad as anything the government would have come up with. All water under the bridge, though. Obama left the door open for this to happen. It's unbelieveable that he couldn't forsee this hapenning. Maybe he did. Maybe there's a reason for this cluster fukc.
     
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    Why after?

    Reagan was an idiot. Bad rationale for your position.

    I say get rid of Dept of Homeland Security first. Total waste.
     
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    So what to all the old and disabled folks do without Medicaid??
     
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    Horrible bill to begin with. Hopefully this means the powers that be can get to work on something that would actually help control costs long term.
     
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    Not cool calling the gipper an idiot. If you are a small govt libertarian, like you claim, just watch HIS inauguration speech.

    I was just pointing out that this department has been on 30 years of borrowed time already, and is clearly clearly an overreach of the Federal govt. But yes, the Dept of Homeland Security is redundant and a financial drain. While we are there, we need to repeal the Patriot Act. That act and that no good no child left behind law are the key reasons for my disgust with W.

    Then we can eliminate the USDA and the farm subsidies it provides for non productiveness, and the Dept of Energy.
     
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    Activist Judges!
     
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    I already talked about this in another thread. Things like medicaid, medicare, food stamps, welfare and social security have to be phased out over a half century or more. Too many people are vested in the system now. Gotta give people as well as the states time to make choices to take care of themselves.
     
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    If only there was a single payer....

    Is there a figure that shows what the yearly average is for those who already have insurance pay for healthcare, vs the dollar amount that a years worth of coverage costs?

    If insurers are making record profits (30%), I'd be willing to be that year after year, we pay more into providing healthcare than is payed out by insurers to hospitals, or they wouldnt be profitable.

    If thats the case, expand medicare for EVERYONE, eliminate the for profit insurance, especially now that it will be mandated and get back to teh roots of what healthcare should be about...

    TREATING SICK PEOPLE!
     
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    rofl!!!

    I agree. When a judge follows the constitution, it usually royally pisses off the fascist right or the socialist left! Its these people looking in the mirror and putting their face on the judge.
     
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    But do not pay attention to his 8 years in office
     
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    You miss the point. completely. Its not about treating sick people. Its about WHO is responsible for paying for it. Who is responsible for oversight? That is what its about. In Mass, we have almost the exact plan rejected by the judge today. Where its unconstitutional for the Federal government to act in this way, its totally legal for the States to do so. Mass has like I said. Mass also has a must treat law. Any public hospital MUST treat ALL patients, regardless of ability to pay. But since the legislation, this state run plan covers those people. Even the homeless. So crying out about the poor and sick is bs.

    What is correct is for the Federal government to step in again, under the commerce clause, to enforce contracts by the insurance companies, thus the the parts of the law that deal with dropped coverage and pre existing conditions. I've already talked about all of this.

    Why do we always look to a distant Federal government to do things it was never supposed to do, and we do not become active in our town and state do provide these things, where it is totally permitted to do so? It stumps me every time.
     

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