Uncle Sam's 3 Round mock 1.0

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  1. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    This is still a work in progress. Commentary is upcoming (but delayed as someone in my house thinks that it is important to get a kitchen floor laid before guests arrive tomorrow). Your comments are appreciated & certainly might affect the more polished revision that will come out this week.
    One trade so far. New England trades #7 to the New Orleans Saints for their #10 & #78.
    Dig in....
    1. Miami - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
    2. St. Louis - Chris Long, DE, Virginia
    3. Atlanta - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
    4. Oakland - Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio State
    5. Kansas City - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
    6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
    7. New Orleans (from SF, Through NE) - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
    8. Baltimore - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
    9. Cincinnati - Keith Rivers, OLB, USC
    10. New England (from NO) - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
    11. Buffalo - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
    12. Denver - Chris Williams OT, Vanderbilt
    13. Carolina - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
    14. Chicago - Branden Albert, OG, Virginia
    15. Detroit - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
    16. Arizona - Mike Jenkins, CB, USF
    17. Minnesota - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan St.
    18. Houston - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
    19. Philadelphia - Jerod Mayo, LB, Tenn
    20. Tampa Bay - DeSean Jackson, WR, Cal
    21. Washington - Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
    22. Dallas - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
    23. Pittsburgh- Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
    24. Tennessee - Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
    25. Seattle - Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
    26. Jacksonville - Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn
    27. San Diego - Dan Connor, OLB, Penn State
    28. Dallas - Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
    29. San Francisco - Gosder Cherilus, OG, Boston College
    30. Green Bay - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
    31. New England ***pick stolen***
    32. New York Giants - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
  2. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    1. (32) Miami - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
    2. (33) St. Louis - Sam Baker, OT, USC
    3. (34) Atlanta(from Oakland) - Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
    4. (35) Kansas City - Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
    5. (36) New York Jets - Cliff Avril,DE/OLB, Purdue
    6. (37) Atlanta - Sam Baker, OT, USC
    7. (38) Baltimore- Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
    8. (39) San Francisco- Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
    9. (40) New Orleans- Kenny Phillips, S, Miami
    10. (41) Buffalo- Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
    11. (42) Denver - Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
    12. (43) Carolina -Pat Sims, DT, Auburn
    13. (44) Chicago - James Hardy, WR, Indiana
    14. (45) Detroit - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fl)
    15. (46) Cincinnati - Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
    16. (47) Minnesota - Curtis Lofton, ILB, Oklahoma
    17. (48) Atlanta (from Houston) - Tavares Gooden OLB Miami, FL
    18. (49) Philadelphia - DaJuan Morgan, S, North Carolina St.
    19. (50) Arizona -Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
    20. (51) Washington – Tyrell Johnson, S, Ark. St.
    21. (52) Tampa Bay - Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
    22. (53) Pittsburgh - Oniel Cousins, Texas-El Paso (OT)
    23. (54) Tennessee - Eddie Royal, WR,Virginia Tech
    24. (55) Seattle - Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
    25. (56) Green Bay - Fred Davis, TE, USC
    26. (57) Miami (from San Diego)- Early Doucet, WR, LSU
    27. (58) Jacksonville - Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas
    28. (59) Indianapolis - Xavier Adibi, LB, VA Tech
    29. (60) Green Bay - Martellus Bennett, TE, Tex A&M
    30. (61) Dallas - Tracy Porter, DB , Indiana
    31. (62) New England - Duane Brown, OT, VA Tech
    32. (63) New York Giants - Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
  3. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job


    1. (64) Miami – Reggie Smith, CB, Oklahoma
    2. (65) St. Louis - Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
    3. (66) Kansas City
- Tony Hills, OT, Texas
    4. (67) Carolina Panthers (from NY Jets) – Carl Nicks, OT, Nebraska
    5. (68) Atlanta - 
 Roy Schuening, OG, Oregon
    6.(69) New England (from Oakland)
- Jonathan Goff, LB, Vanderbilt
    7. (70) Chicago
- Kevin Smith, RB, Cent. Fla.
    8. (71) Buffalo (from Baltimore)
- John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
    9. (72) Jacksonville (from Buffalo)
- Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU

    10. (73) Minnesota (from Denver)
- Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
    11. (74) Carolina
- Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers
    12. (75) San Francisco
- Bruce Davis, OLB, UCLA
    13. (76) Detroit
 - Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M
    14. (77) Cincinnati
- Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa
    15. (78) New England(from New Orleans)
 - Mike Pollack, C, Arizona St.
    16. (79) Houston - Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise State
17. (80) Philadelphia
- Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina
    18. (81) Arizona
    19. (82) Minnesota
- Darrell Robertson DE G Tech
    20. (83) Tampa Bay
- Dre Moore, DT, Maryland
    21. (84) Washington
- Thomas DeCloud, S, California
    22. (85) Tennessee
- Chris Ellis, DE, Va Tech
    23. (86) Seattle
- Lavelle Hawkins, WR, California
    24. (87) Detroit (from Cleveland)
- Erin Henderson OLB Maryland
    25. (88) Pittsburgh
- Chilo Rachal, OG, USC
    26. (89) Jacksonville
- Justin King, CB, Penn St
    27. (90) Chicago (from San Diego)
- Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas
    28. (91) Green Bay
- Steve Slaton, RB, WV
    29. (92) Dallas
- Eris Young, OG/ OT, Tennessee
    30. (93) Indianapolis
- Mike McGlynn OG Pittsburgh
    31. (94) New England
- Jack Williams, CB, Kent State
    32. (95) New York Giants - Beau Bell, ILB, UNLV
    33. (96) Washington – Steven Justice, C, Wake Forest
    34. (97) Cincinnati - Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
    35. (98) Atlanta - Philip Wheeler, LB, Georgia Tech
    36. (99) Baltimore – Kendall Lansford, DE, Hampton
  4. patsfaninpa

    patsfaninpa In the Starting Line-Up

    Do we need Pollack in Round 3? We have an all-pro C signed to a long-term contract. I like the idea of trading down. Can quibble a little with the players. But, can see a scenario like your's playing out. Give me Erin Henderson, C.Ellis or D.Robertson over Pollack and I'm on board.
  5. NePatriots

    NePatriots PatsFans.com Draftnik PatsFans.com Supporter

    I like Round 1, but 2 and 3 not so much... Brown and Pollack are not needed, Goff is way too early IMO, and there are better players at more needed positions available such as Godfrey.
  6. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Love Chris Ellis and I considered him with this pick. Henderson/ Robertson, I am a little on the fence about in terms of their suitability( not their talent). I thought Pollack was the best available talent at this point, and reading his scouting reports, thought he could play a pretty fair guard in the Pats system as well as being the best center coming out of the draft.


    "Is tall with adequate bulk. Displays solid footwork and a quick first step. Snaps the ball and gets out of his stance almost simultaneously. He's very good in space. ASU uses him on a lot of pulls and traps. Shows good mobility and body control to consistently hit the moving target. He displays nimble feet in the short area and does a nice job of shuffling his feet and mirroring pass rushers. He is a natural knee bender. Also shows a strong, quick and compact punch that allows him to get his hands inside on rushers. Keeps his head on a swivel and shows great ability to recognize stunts..."


    Getting McKelvin, Duane Brown, Jonathan Goff, Mike Pollack, & Jack Williams would be a great haul in the first three rounds IMO. Did we miss on some people? Of course, it's a lottery and others are playing.
  7. That would be a terrible draft for the Pats. A tackle and a center in the first three rounds? No thank you! I see the Pats trading down not once, but twice which could give them 4 third rounders to play with (2 of their own and 2 acquired through draft day trades). In the first round, the Pats need to get a pass rushing LB ala Quientin Groves. In the second round, I think the Pats could use one of their 4th's and trade up to grab a CB or best player available (which is hopefully on the defensive side of the ball). I think one of these "top corners" that we think we be in the first round will drop into the second round. Then rinse and repeat in the third round. And for the love of god, please don't trade a TE until the 5th round!
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2008
  8. BPF

    BPF In the Starting Line-Up

    I really like Tracy Porter, who you have going to Dallas at pick #61.

  9. VJCPatriot

    VJCPatriot Pro Bowl Player

    McKelvin's a decent pick, but I'm not sure I like the other picks you take for the Pats. It looks marginally bad. I think the Pats would be better served by moving up in the second round to secure another solid guy with starter potential.
  10. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    So you project that we take the risk of trading and then lose our opportunity at one of the top LB's? I would only trade down to 10 if bb was happy with taking either Harvey or Rivers. Given what is available later and our needs, McKelvin is a terrible pick for us.

  11. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    I agree with the poster who would have moved up from 62 a bit and pick Porter instead of an OT. For me, the value for us at OL is in the top 10 or in the 4th or later.
  12. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    I don't understand using #78 for an OL. King (CB picked at 89) seems more of a need for us. Goff is a reach at #69, an unnecessary one if we took care of business in the first round. #69 could be Godfrey (a cb who you have at 77)

  13. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    I look forward to your next go round.

    I like my picks better

    trade up our 94 to move to #5 to pick Long or Gholston or wait and pick Harvey

    ROUND TWO #62
    Move up a bit to get Porter or even further to get Cason

    Godfrey or King

    I hope this pick has been traded to move up.

  14. DW Toys

    DW Toys In the Starting Line-Up

    I agree with you 100%.
    I am curious. Will some one explain Goff to me? Everyone on this site loves him. What am I missing? The book on him is slow and can't cover well, not particularly a thumper but smart. Other than that he is not particularly strong. Is he the younger version of what we have now? I'd like to like him but I cannot see it?
    I see a few better like Mayo.
    DW Toys
  15. JoePats

    JoePats In the Starting Line-Up

    mg, hypothetically. Carl Peterson says to Belichick he'll move down 2 spots but instead of 94 he wants 69. Say C Long is there and Gholston is gone. What do you do?
  16. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    You know I wouldn't hesitate. I would expect a later pick back though.

  17. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I never have figured that out. We won 18 games last year. How many players that we draft will potentially start in '08. Brown and Pollack are solid, talented players in the Patriots style, and when we do have a need (due to injuries, etc) they should be able to step up so that we don't lose a beat. In a year, or two I think they both start. I am really concerned with the repeated injuries to the right side of the line, more than even ILB & DB. Protecting Brady should be everything in our system.

    Goff was just throwing the board a bone after Brown and Pollack. If you saw who I was really considering... It was too early.

    This was a preliminary board. I don't think that you can really say that the Pats should draft players x, y, & z without looking at the needs of the other teams around us- basically to see who really might be available. I like the first round trade, but I really don't see us taking all the picks- 62,69,78 & 94. IMM there will be a trade up. Now I have to sit back and determine for whom, and with whom. Don't be surprised if Goff/ Pollack don't make it to the edited version.
  18. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Rivers and Harvey should both be in the 20's on the Patriots Draft board (not the they will be drafted there, but in terms of how well they fit out scheme). I'd rather pick Mayo, or Groves in the 20's but the question is how do we get there? With the exception of Dallas, I don't see any teams with the where withall to move down to #7. Do we do a second trade? Possibly, but I think it would be a remote possibility. I've come around on McKelvin to where I think he is the cb that would be the best fit for the Pats. By trading with NO I picked the player I wanted anyway- and also picked up pick #78 for further ammunition.
  19. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I like Porter. I like Godfrey (I have him as one of my picks in the pick- 8). I see Godfrey more as a nickel who might become a exceptional S. As I said previously, I do see us making a move, though at this time I don't have the particulars. I don't think I would move up for Porter- there are too many other cb's I like as well, and I feel one of them will drop.

    [/QUOTE]For me, the value for us at OL is in the top 10 or in the 4th or later.[/QUOTE]

    I'm guessing that you mean the top- 20 where Long, Clady, Williams,Otah & Albert should all fall. I think that you are wrong. I think that what makes this draft special is in the depth of the top OL'men. Beyond the 1st rounders, Baker, Collins & Brown are all top, talented linemen, that in a more normal year would be getting a lot more pre- draft consideration. After Collins/ Brown, I think that there is a big dropoff in talent to the next tier. I was very happy to get Brown.
  20. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Best available. King has never seemed to play up to his obvious talents. Given the choice between King and J Williams, I would rather have Williams (who I can get later anyway). I like Godfrey, but after looking at the way the board shaped up, I went for the best available talent. I feel that Pollack can also help us at Guard. Think of him as a huge talent upgrade from Hochstein.

    Like I said in a previous post I don't see a linebacker in our 1st round future, just because of values (and I doubt that Harvey will succeed at OLB anyway).

    Goff was an overdraft.
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