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Which QB?

  1. Hoyer

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  2. Sanchez

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  1. Kid~Brady

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    So me and one of my fellow co-workers (who happens to be a Jets fan) got into a huge debate during my lunch hour. He thinks Sanchez is much better than Brian Hoyer could ever be. I know all Jets fans are so into Sanchez and sees him as the franchise QB but c'mon. I dont hate Sanchez by all means, I think he's a decent QB at best. Accuracy and consistency is his biggest flaws in my eyes.

    We both argued the facts. I know we don't have much to go off of since Hoyer doesn't start but from what I've seen, I think Hoyer could be light years ahead of Mark Sanchez honestly. He always looks poised in the pocket and really has a good accuracy. I feel if Hoyer was a starter for another team, he'd have better stats than Sanchez any season.

    Some input on this... insights?
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    There is no way of answering this question until we trade Hoyer to another team and he gets to show what he can do.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    ... tough question ...

    i'd rank the afce qb's including him & brady as


    brady > sanchez > fitzpatrck > henne > hoyer


    ... it's just potential until it happens during real time ...








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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    We'd have to see Hoyer play at least 8 regular season games (it's just different when games count) before we could even come to any sort of conclusion. Sanchez is starting and Hoyer isn't. I'd say Sanchez is better right now and I'd prefer not to see my 8 games with Hoyer (unless he was on another team) ;)
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    My top 3 competencies for a QB are accuracy, decision making, and poise. Hoyer has shown all of these, Sanchez has shown some poise on certain occasions but that's it.

    I agree that Hoyer needs to start in order to make a legitimate comparison but if my job was on the line I'd take Hoyer any day of the week over the Sanchise.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    Maybe a better question is Matt Cassel vs Sanchez?

    After that you can compare Cassel and Hoyer and use the transitive property, hahaha!
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    Right and I understood that I couldnt make a real solid argument which I admitted but just from the snippets I saw he seemed much more accurate in the pocket than I've ever seen Sanchez.

    But only time will tell I guess..
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    You'd have to get Hoyer out of New England and some time as the starter in order to answer the question.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    I laughed hard after opening this thread.

    It'll be worth checking in at JI and GangGreen once they get wind of this! :eek:

    The answer is Sanchez because potential is unknowable.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    Can't wait for SG3's thoughtful comments about this.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    If potential is unknowable, how can the answer be Sanchez?
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    This pretty much. Hoyer hasn't had to play against anyone when it mattered and rarely if ever against a 1st string defense.

    I think Hoyer can be a better QB, and I certainly think he is more accurate than Sanchez, but he hasn't had to lead a team back from a 4th quarter deficit or win on the road, etc. We simply don't know what he can do under high pressure situations.

    Could he be better? Sure. Is he? We don't know. Could he be worse? Absolutely. Is he? We don't
    know.

    Who would I prefer? That is tough, I think I would risk it and take Hoyer, unless Sanchez has a breakout third season and does enough to show he is in the upper echelon then I think Hoyer's potential that he has flashed in limited opportunities is worth taking an extended look at.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    What criteria are you people who are voting for Hoyer using?

    Love him or hate him, Sanchez has done well enough to get their team to the AFCCG 2 years in a row. You can't handwave that away with the Trent Dilfer defense.

    Sanchez is streaky, but when he is on with his short and intermediate passes he's been good enough to help his team win playoff games.

    Hoyer has looked good during the preaseason, they are a world apart.
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    This:I think Hoyer could be light years ahead of Mark Sanchez honestly.

    As the Mayor of Homerville, I would like to refer you to the local chapter of KA (Koolaid Anonymous).

    I like Hoyer, but that statement seems indicate a Koolaid OD could be coming.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    Its been awhile since I openly contradicted myself within such a small post ;)

    I suppose I read the question to be 'Who is the better QB?'.

    I should laugh less, read more :D
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    I think if given the opportunity, Hoyer would prove to be the better QB. However, since he has yet to see any serious time in games that count (and i'm hoping he doesn't until he's out of New England) you have to go with Sanchez. While Sanchez has been decidedly below average, Hoyer has not shown anything except some good play in garbage time.

    So for now, Sanchez but ask me this question again in 3 years time and i'd be willing to bet most people's answer would be Hoyer.
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    when hoyer will in a playoff game, let me know.

    give me a break, how can anyone put hoyer before him? he maybe a better QB in the future, but right now? damn, are you guys serious?
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    True, he has played well but don't forget his top ranked defense. If Sanchez wasnt backed by the cast of players on that D, the pressure on him would triple fold.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    Sanchez has been a bottom of the barrel QB as a rookie, and a bottom 10 QB as a second year QB. Hoyer wouldn't exactly have to set the world on fire to do better.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    lol @ people picking hoyer. I thought everybody was supposed to be unbiased in this thread?
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    It dosnt matter what sanchez has been, it matters what Hoyer is not right now.
    when he will play some real games and win some you could say he is better\equal to sanchez. you cant choose a QB that didnt won a game in the NFL, you just cant to that.

    To those guys who chose Hoyer - get real. :bricks:
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    Honestly Sanchez has shown the ability to win games in the playoffs. I don't think he's a top 15 QB and Id probably say that if you took any top 10 QB and put them on the Jets they could be vying for a third straight lombardi as opposed to an afc championship game appearance. Their offensive line, Defense and offensive targets are championship caliber, Sanchez isn't right now. Who knows how Hoyer would fair in NY though.
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    Suprised it's so close, Hoyer is better no bias.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    Ofcourse you can.

    If having to choose today, I would take Mallett over Sanchez in about two seconds. So you wouldn't take Luck over Sanchez?

    Tavaris Jackson/ Alex Smith/ Derek Anderson have won games in the NFL, who exactly would you take?
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    It'd be one thing to say "Brady/Manning/Brees/Rivers/Rodgers/Roethlisberger/Ryan, of course", because they're the best in the game. It's another thing to pimp Sanchez, when he's been bottom tier to this point in his NFL career. Neither side has much of a leg to stand on at this point, IMO.
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    I didnt say Sanchez is a hit, he is not a top 10 to me, but saying hoyer is better based on what? a preaseason game? sorry, not good enouhg.

    i dont like sanchez at all, but being that blind is being too much of a homer, waaaaaaaay to much.

    patsfaninpittsburgh, you didnt get my point at all. sanchez won playoff games, when hoyer will do that let me know.
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    Arguing either as the better QB is a bit of a fool's errand. Your points about Sanchez are almost as bad as the points being made by the Hoyer group, because Sanchez has been lousy to date. The one other young backup to ever be good enough to backup Brady is Cassel. He's better than Sanchez.
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    See, my point was to the extent that "if" hoyer was a starter. I know we cant know for sure cause he hasnt started but my argument was my belief is that IF Hoyer was a starter and had been playing for 3 years (same as Sanchez) I think Hoyer would be a better QB.

    This is not fact, just my opinion from the small amounts of times I've seen him. Evan last year against the Dolphins in out last reg season game he looked really good.
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    I don't see how it's a debate. Say what you want about Sanchez, he wins and is a team leader. He's gotten them to the AFC Championship in each of his first two years. Hoyer is an UDFA and a back up. Hoyer would have to become a starter and light it up to be in the conversation. Another way to look it at would be to ask what is Hoyer's trade value? Would he get a number one 1 pick in exchange? I'd be happy with a number 3, but I'm not a GM. I would venture to say that Sanchez would get a number 1.
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    Re: Unbiased Question...

    As with any team, you would probably have to ask where that QB would play. Manning may not be as successful as Big Ben if playing for the Steelers as he does not have the ability to shed all the hits Ben takes behind an inferior offensive line. Some QBs make work better in timing pass based offenses, others not so much. That is a pretty major variable in the OP.

    I do agree there is no reasonable basis for comparison right now as Hoyer is a big question mark in terms of real game performance. Given the nature of the Pats' system and his practice experience there, I would take him over Sanchez if Brady were not available. Anywhere else? Not a clue.
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