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  1. captain stone

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    Each team is allotted $76,000 for UDFA bonus money so the Patriots
    did not have enough left over ($5000) to sign a couple more quality free agents.
    I bet there is a heck of a signing frenzy. The Patriots did land some
    quality UDFAs.
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    one of the great things about being an UDFA is that you get to choose where you are going to go, and if I were a good UDFA and checked the Pats roster, it would be one of the last places I wanted to go, unless I was a RB or S. Based on the ratings and the small number of UDFA's signed, I think the FO did a really nice job in getting the guys they did. The Pats might be a great organization to work for and learn the game, and despite having a great record of have UDFA's stick, it wasn't going to be a hot spot for UDFA's this season.
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    This was one of the better years for the Patriots with regard to signing UDFAs. GBN produces a list each year of the top UDFAs. The Patriots
    signed the following rated players from the GBN list: #3 Forston, #18
    Bolden, #58 Zusevics, and #81 Francis. The Patriots spent $71,000 of
    the $76,000 allotted for UDFAs bonuses.
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    Prior to draft day we didn't have a 5th, 6th or 7th round pick. If a team had drafted; Warren, Fortson and Zusevics with their 5th, 6th and 7th rounders nobody would have batted an eye. Stock up on the trenches. Might get lucky like Deaderick or Pryor on DL. Or, OL like any number of guys Belichick has brought in.
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    This seems like as good a place as any to get this; I saw the Reiss post, plus the Globe story on the UDFAs, and decided to become more familiar with some of them.

    Found this thread on another site re: Ridley v Bolden, looking back on when they were being recruited, from an LSU fan perspective. Some interesting comments:

    No real conclusion here, just an interesting aside that these two have compared against each other in the past and opinions on their relative value has been a moving target.
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    Reiss has updated to show that Jeremiah Warren actually received $28,000. They clearly wanted him a lot.
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    OK, so they spent their UDFA cash allotment, strongly targeting 4 players at positions (RB, DT, OL) where depth was questionable. I'll take that.

    BTW, everybody who makes a fuss about Dowling's injury history should take a look at Forston to see what an injury-plagued college career actually looks like.
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    It's interesting how much the Pats valued Warren. Zukevics, Forston and Bolden were higher profile UDFAs, but Warren was the first guy signed and clearly the team valued him quite a bit. He has a wrestling background. It will be interesting to see how he develops, especially if he can make it to the PS.
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    May I ass-ume that you don't need to be told the difference between Dowling and Fortson?
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    Forston was a much-heralded recruit at the U who drew comparisons to Vince Wilfork. Even as recently as last year he was projected to be a day 1 or 2 pick.

    From hyped to humbled - BostonHerald.com
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    I just saw that, too.

    $28K? That seems like a lot, esp. for an OLman whose weight has fluctuated - though trending downward -
    and who cannot block speed or into the 2nd level.
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    Presumablty Scar had some say in the matter. He has a pretty good track record with late round/UDFA OL, though no one's perfect. He must see something in Warren.
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    I'm not doubting you, but I'm interested in knowing from where the $76K figure came.
    I knew that there was a max allotment for each team's rookie pool, but I wasn't sure
    if that included UDFA signings.
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    Warren was a predictable target. I think it was Curran who listed Warren as a surprise mid-round pick for the Pats, so I'm guessing he heard something from within.
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    I'm sure that Scar saw the 10" hands, 34" arms, 84" wingspan, 28 reps, 31" vertical
    and 101" broad jump - the last 2 better than DeCastro - and knew that this was a
    strong young man who understands leverage & posesses some explosion, and can
    use his hands & arms to lock up a defender in front of him, and remove him for the
    duration of the play. The only position he could play here, however, is RG, and a
    non-pulling one at that.
    Is he worth the $28K to find out what his future could be here? Possibly, though I
    would've tried to hold firm on an $18K bonus, and used the extra $10K on a UDFA
    Safety, a position that has been somewhat surprisingly under-addressed throughout
    the entire off-season.
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    Warren also was a Wrestler in HS and was 32-0 his senior season. We've seen that work before for the Pats.
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    You mean that Dowling had a very productive college career, outstanding measurables, and was considered the leader of his defense? I do know how you loved that pick! ;)
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    My thoughts exactly...


    But seriously, folks...
    Warren's wrestling backgroud def. works in his favor; besides Stephen Neal, other OLmen
    were HS wrestlers, too. Warren, however, is also 30 lbs. heavier than Neal and might not
    have the mobility of even Marcus Cannon.
    I'll be keeping an eye on him during TC, as well as on Donald Brown, Robert Gallery, Matt Kopa
    & Nick McDonald.
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    After the draft, I read that $76,000 was allotted for rookie signings.
    I figured that the amount is much too low for the draft choices so
    it has to be the UDFAs. Other years, all rookies, undrafted and drafted,
    were included in the rookie pool. There was no limit on UDFA bonus money.
    Maybe, too much money was diverted from the draft picks?
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    The number that does jump out at me for Warren is his vertical. In the past I've called Dante's boys the Olympic high jump team, super-heavyweight division.
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    Sebastian Vollmer: 36.5" vertical
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    Ah but the bad thing is that you have to play for peanuts. Destroy your body for chicken feed. Yikes that is low pay...
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    That really makes me feel like a shyte athlete. I don't know what my vert is, but it's not better than those. I also weigh a little more than half of what these guys weigh in at.
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    Umm...Fred? You do know that's just the signing bonus, right?

    If anybody's curious, all players in training camp get a per diem that I believe comes in around $900/wk + room and board. Anybody who actually makes it onto the team gets at least rookie minimum of $390,000/year. The minimum weekly pay for a practice squad player is $5,700.
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    That amount ($76,585 to be exact) is strictly in regards to undrafted free agents; rookies that were drafted are not part of that total.

    For example 7th round draft pick Jeremy Ebert received a $48,200 signing bonus, so it appears there is a much more substantial difference between being a late 7th round pick and an undrafted free agent than say a 6th round pick versus a 7th round pick.


    A couple of side notes that perhaps only I find interesting.



    I am somewhat curious why the powers that be felt compelled to cap the amount of bonuses given to UDFA's though; in the grand scheme of things it's such a minute amount of a team's operating budget that it shouldn't prevent any team from signing a player that they really want.
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    Thanks for the clarification, and for the side notes which I also find interesting.
    (I must confess that I had never heard of Travaris Cadet until 5 mins ago.)

    And I agree with your last statement; why bother capping the UDFA signing bonuses,
    esp. at such a relatively low number?
    The league needs, I believe, to expand its off-season & TC roster limits,
    and eliminate the game-day inactive list.
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    I imagine a lot of the PS Squad guys will be getting shots in the USFL next year.

    That's going to play havoc with the 90 man roster/OTA's for those guys.
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    It's an interesting question. Perhaps even the "minute" amounts could be worked into a significant advantage for the deep-pocket teams. There's also the argument that it's just part and parcel of the rookie cap and rookie pool, and that UDFAs shouldn't be in position to make more than draftees. It makes some sense to say that nobody should feel penalized for having been drafted, and thus missing out on an uncapped bidding war. :confused2:
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    I suppose you could be correct. For example the signing bonus of that Saints UDFA above ($30k) is approaching that of a 7th round pick (Ebert, $48k); something would indeed be wrong with the system if a UDFA was able to get a better contract than a draftee.
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