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    Americans that actually pay for their health care can not pay for everyone that can't afford to pay for their own health care. I think we knew that before we even approved Obamacare....but it is what it is.
     
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    time to go single payer......:p
     
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    Everything is a joke to you except the greatness of Obama apparently.
     
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    i do have a pretty pathetic sense of humor.....but, to be fair, the quality of discourse on most political boards is not exactly the deep end of the pool......i have to amuse myself somehow
     
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    whatever I do it also at times but it's hard to follow where you stand sometimes.
     
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    Anyone seeing any potential flaws in the methodology used in this study?
     
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    Time for us as individuals to take responsibility for our own health. Sleep 8 hrs/day, eat right, exercise. Do that and our health care problems will go down the drain. But we won't. We take no responsibility. And you can't legislate responsibility. Someone else has to take care of my problems. What I said is really the only solution if we want it to get better. But don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
     
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    Yeah, coz no one who does those things ever gets hit by a car or gets cancer or gets shot in a drive-by shooting or falls off his bike or has a heart attack or gets old. No child is ever born with a handicap or a genetic disease or is deprived of oxygen during the birthing process. No teenager ever hits his head playing football or crushs his spinal cord diving off the high dive.

    Sleep good, eat right and exercise - none of those things will ever happen to you.

    That's the answer.
     
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    I agree that bad things happen. But making good decisions at all times would consideralbly lessen the health problem we have as a nation. Myself included.
     
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    We've been through the "Life Expectancy" line of logic in here before, and it truly is a poor way to show quality of care. Survival rates are much more telling. Life expectancy has far too many non-health care related variables that affect the final number. Car deaths, homicides, obesity, lifestyle, etc. All of which are independent of a nations healthcare system, that had adverse affects to the end number.
     
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    thats a good point......do you know of any good (non partisan) survival rate data across countries
     
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    Costs for the healthcare entitlement are not going down.

    Anyone that believes its going to be more affordable needs to put down the crack pipe.
     
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    Isn't it obvious...King Putt mispoke..... Just like he mispoke he said when we'would save $2500 in premiums.... 29 or 30 times........
     
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    The sad thing is that Americans are so f'cking stupid they believed everything he said and re-elected him. Bunch of morons we live amongst.
     
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    http://news.investors.com/politics-...rollment-falling-aetna-says.htm#disqus_thread

     
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    What does your commentary have to say about the Republican Party???

    Just wait until you all have to wade through the clusterf..ck that is medicare.

    A good example is a medication I take, Tikosyn 250 mcg bid..

    CVS charges Blue Cross, and me, 469 per month.
    CVS charges United Health Care, and me, 260 per month...

    A $179 dollar difference.. and not a f..ing thing that anyone can do about it.

    Part D of medicare is a grand scheme perpetuated by our government, to make the drug companies richer..
     
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    The program design involves these features:
    - For those getting insurance through an employer, they continue to be covered through their employer
    - For those getting insurance not through an employer, they continue to shop the market (there is no public option).
    - You pay a penalty if you carry no insurance, and the penalty will continue to rise
    - There are minimum standards for what insurance must cover.


    Let's think of what happens to the actual metric this stat is measuring. It is a stat on the average premium, not through an employer, before and after ACA.

    Here is a "medical" policy you could offer before ACA:

    The insurable event is only catastrophic illness or getting hit by a bus. You cannot have any pre-existing condition. Price offered is only for 20-30 year-olds. We only pay the first $100K of coverage for your catastrophic illness. Your premium is five dollars a month.

    Oh and by the way, if you want to save your five bucks a month, you don't have to be insured at all. Costs are just passed on directly to hospital ERs.

    After ACA, your policy will cost much more, and the above "plan" goes away, because it does not meet the standards.

    The law doesn't let you peddle a "plan" that doesn't really pay for anything. There are standards for what's covered. You have to get something for your premium, in other words. And importantly, you have to buy a qualified plan of some sort (thanks, Heritage Foundation,) or you pay a penalty (which will increase sharply as we go forward.)

    This is akin to the complaint that ____ people got "kicked off their plan" when individual service providers discontinued those plans.

    If the plan did not meet minimum standards under the law, they could have "fixed" it, for it to be a qualified health plan.

    This is sort of like if your business was to set up individual retirement plans, and there were no laws about what a "qualifying plan" is.

    You offer an account where the ad campaign is "Get ready for retirement! Cheap!" The customer's contribution is five dollars a week. They match you at 1000%. The only catch is that the minimum age to withdraw money from the plan is 95. People "buy" the retirement "plan."

    Then the laws we have on the books now come into play, and you can never "buy" a secure retirement as "cheap" anymore.

    Outrage? Not so much. This is a stat that treats plans with lower standards and compares them with plans with higher standards -- and confines itself specifically to the segment of the market most attracted to bad cut-rate "plans" that no longer qualify.

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