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  1. Patters

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    Maybe there is a glimmer of hope in Iraq after all.

    This is from a liberal site, but the article does appear well sourced. If oil can bring the Iraqis together in this way, perhaps it will unite them behind a new enemy: The United States. Perhaps, then, we'll leave, saving our troops and giving Iraq a chance to find its own way.

    http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/59318/

    Despite the ethnic bloodshed in Iraq, majorities of Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds are united in their disapproval of the proposed oil laws that Washington and Big Oil are pushing.

    If passed, the Bush administration's long-sought "hydrocarbons framework" law would give Big Oil access to Iraq's vast energy reserves on the most advantageous terms and with virtually no regulation. Meanwhile, a parallel law carving up the country’s oil revenues threatens to set off a fresh wave of conflict in the shell-shocked country.

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    As is the norm, nobody bothered to ask Iraqis what they thought of the controversy until recently, when a coalition of NGOs and other civil society groups commissioned a poll (PDF) to gauge Iraqis' reaction to the proposed legislation. It found that Iraqis from all ethnic and sectarian groups and across the political spectrum oppose the principles enshrined in the laws. Considering the multiethnic bloodbath we've witnessed over the past four years, it's an impressive display of Iraqi solidarity.

    The package of oil laws represent one of the clearest examples of a dynamic that's fueled much of the country's political instability but is rarely discussed in the commercial media. While the war's advocates continue to sell the occupation of Iraq as part of a grand scheme to democratize the region, anything resembling true Iraqi democracy is in fact a tremendous threat to U.S. interests. The law, after all, was not designed with Iraqis' prosperity in mind; plans for throwing the country's oil sector open to (almost) unregulated foreign investment were hashed out by a State Department working group that included major players from the oil industry long before the planning for the invasion itself. These plans were discussed in the White House (under the guidance of Dick Cheney) before that -- even before the attacks of 9/11.
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    A very backasswards way to achieve results, if it does then George and Richard will be patting each other on the back, atta boy George that was our plan anyways.. but what about Haliburton and big oil??
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    The poll cited doesn't support the authors conclusion. It shows that the vast majorities of Iraqi's feel that the countries oil reserves could help provide prosperity for Iraqi's, prety sensible.

    The second question (who should control Iraqi oil) is without any context, so the result is not suprising. The response to the third question in the polls (how invormed do they Iraqi people feel about the new oil law) renders the result to the second question even less valid, since the respondents feel they aren't informed about the legislation.

    The article also refers to "big oil" as if that were inherently evil (not suprising from Altermann's POV, is this E Alterman's blog?), who do the authors think have the capital to develop oil fields and put the infrastructure in place?

    The authors are apparently unhappy that we (the US ) isn't proposing a Cuban economic model (state control of industry), good glad we aren't taking that approach, Although any legislation will be as a result of negoations among the reps from the Iraqi froups, Shia, Kurd and Sunni. The problem is hwo to distribute the $$$, The oik is located in the Kurdish and Sia areas of the country and not in the Sunni triangle.
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    You know, I finally post something that shows a glimmer of hope that the warring parties are coming together in Iraq, but because it doesn't make Bush look good, you immediately come down on it. It's as if you only want peace in Iraq if it makes Bush look good. That's a shame.
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    THe glimmer of hope you refer to is hating the US. The process of deciding how to apportion the oil revenues is the largest political issue in Ira if they can solve it great. I am an optimist on this. IMO the surge show that Iraqi's realize that Al Queda and the extremest are the problem and not the US.
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    We have a Democrat Congress and we may soon have a Democrat White House, why don't all these looney left wing hater bastards get together and BAN OIL in America.

    Put everybody that works for Haliburton in prison even their janitors.

    Bring back the Stagecoach, Burn Wood, Ride A Bike, Use an Outhouse, travel by Boat and Steam Engine Train.

    The real good thing about this is all the rich liberals would have to have a piss pot under their bed at night and they would have to walk out under the trees to take a sh!t in their "fancy environmental friendly outhouse".

    Can you just picture Al Gore riding a bike and chopping wood.

    GOD IS GREAT
    DEATH TO AMERICA
    DEATH TO HALIBURTON
    DEATH TO GENERAL MOTORS
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    yay... what a surprise... a guy like pf13 advocating privatization of everything! even another county's natural resource!!!

    "If they can solve it?" they could solve it by making it state owned, so don't sit here and refuse that option and then chirp "if they can solve it"... why don't you just say it the way you mean it: "if they accept our terms"

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