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U.S. can't prove Iran link to Iraq strife

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    This is good news. NOW, only if it was a bigger story.

    WASHINGTON — Bush administration officials acknowledged Friday that they had yet to compile evidence strong enough to back up publicly their claims that Iran is fomenting violence against U.S. troops in Iraq.

    Administration officials have long complained that Iran was supplying Shiite Muslim militants with lethal explosives and other materiel used to kill U.S. military personnel. But despite several pledges to make the evidence public, the administration has twice postponed the release — most recently, a briefing by military officials scheduled for last Tuesday in Baghdad.

    "The truth is, quite frankly, we thought the briefing overstated, and we sent it back to get it narrowed and focused on the facts," national security advisor Stephen J. Hadley said Friday.
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    Like something as meaningless as facts will make a difference.
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    #24 Jersey

    Not sure which part you're saying is good news.

    If you mean that they don't want to overstate "facts" like they probably did with Iraq, then that's good.

    If you mean that they can't prove it is good in and of itself - that's not good because we can't solve the problem until we can show what the problem is.
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    All the Mil blogs I've read have been pointing a finger in Iran's direction for a couple of years now. I remember when a Stryker was evaporated by a shaped charge killing some 14 men inside in '04 or '05, and everyone said it was Iranian shaped explosives that did it. At any rate, I think we'd be naive to not think that Iran is meddling against us in Iraq. Afterall, why wouldn't they? When they raided that office in Mosul (or was it Tikrit?) and detained the Iranians, they found all kinds of weapons related materials. Why would the Iranian office have such stuff, if it was a laison office as decribed? Common sense tells us they're doing something is all I'm trying to say.
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    Good news that there is no hard evidence, and that the congress and the american public is fully aware of what happens when one cries wolf.

    A person once said:

    "Fool me once......shame on, shame on you?....fool me....we can't get fooled again"
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    Holy Diver, Do You really believe Iran has nothing to do with the insurgancy in Iraq?
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    #24 Jersey

    I'm still not sure which part of this you're happy about.

    LOL. George isn't that smart but that saying can be screwed up easily if you just say it without thinking it our ahead first.
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    Kill Their Donkeys

    Nuke The Middle East Before They All Kill Each Other

    :bricks:
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    If they're going to kill each other anyway, why waste a nuke?
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    I believe there are A LOT of reasons for the 'insurgancy' in Iraq.

    US Occupation
    Sunni, Shiite, Kurdish Strife
    Al Quaeda

    You see how this all gets twisted....all of this started with 9-11.....and Al Quaeda. WMDs...regime change...now its propoganda saying that Iran is helping the 'insurgants' ????????????

    If they are so bad, why did we just sell them parts for thir fighter jets? Why does our military help them? Why are we as a military trying to escalate the violence there.

    Iran is not the cause of the violence in the middle east. It has always been violent.
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    Was that before or after someone said...

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    :D
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    Now the animals in Palestine have laid off Israel for awhile, they have started to kill each other just like in Iraq

    KEEP THESE F-CKING SAVAGES OUT OF AMERICA WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TROUBLE WITH THE GANG BANGERS AND AUNTIE PELOSI'S TEETH.

    DOES ANYBODY EVER TAKE THE KIDS AND GO TO THE MIDDLE EAST FOR A VACATION? :eek:
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    We're going into Iran no matter what. Israel's nuke fears and the United States' petrodollar fears guarantee that we will invade in the next year.

    We'll probably make up a fabricated link similar to how we went into Iraq after 9-11.
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    Thats quite possibly the greatest animation I have ever seen. It took me about 3 or 4 times to figure out that it wasn't a movie, but infact an animated clip.
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    Sadly....this is the viewpoint that I share as well. Thats why the lack of evidence thus far is a positive thing in my view.

    NO MORE WAR!
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    #24 Jersey

    That's OK, we'll just wait until Iran nukes Israel then we'll have to do it - a little too late of course.
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    I highly doubt we'll attack Iran. I'd put the chances of an air strike at less than 5% possible, and of a ground invasion at less than .01% possible. The latter is just not happening. Even if we wanted to invade, we simply couldn't. What would we invade with?

    If an airstrike even did happen, it'd be the Israeli's acting on their own, and quite honestly, although I pray they don't, how could you blame them if they did? Afterall, the Iranian president has said he wants to wipe them off teh face of the earth. What's interesting though, is that doing so with nukes, would mean exterminating Palestine too. Think he cares? See, what I would do, is play that card publically. If Iran did go nuclear, I'd mention how a nuke attack on Israel would kill Palestinians, and then see what happens. The world body would take notice, and then if Iran did nuke Israel, Iran would be exposed for the loons they are. The only problem is, playing such cards would mean that millions would die. What a messed up world. :eek:
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    I don't think we will either. Maybe if the Iraq war had gone better - or not happened at all - but given popular dissent against that, doing Iran seems unlikely. Maybe a strategic hit from the air on a few specific nuke facilities but anything else is almost impossible IMO.
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    The Israeli lobby in Washington will do everything in its power to make sure the United States engages Iran in war. It makes sense, out of their own self-interest and best interests.
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    Israel will never wait for Iran to Nuke them, Israel will know when Iran is going to strike then Iran will be the one that is blown to kingdom f-cking come, and Iran knows it, so don't worry about those Iranian as$s holes, if they start something that will be the end of them.
    AMERICA SHOULD NUKE THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST, THE WORLD WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT THEM.

    THE END OF THE WORLD WILL START IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
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    I don't think that people understand that the US stops Israel from doing things, and not vice versa. Israel is the animal that we try to keep caged. We wouldn't invade Iran on account of Israel. What would we gain? What benefit is it to us, to act in Israel's behalf? Since when does the United States do something for someone else, for no specific benefit?
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    Ah yes, vanish from the page of time, and wipe them off the face of the earth are two very different things. I see.

    :violent:
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    Still not looking at the fact that he didn't say what you quoted him as saying?
    Still not looking at the fact that he was quoting someone else?

    yes they are very similar phrases, but what you point out as a reason to invade/bomb/destroy that country is wrong.


    It'll be inetersting to see how all of this propoganda, posturing and politics shakes itself out.

    in the meantime .... "Don't believe the hype" - Chuck D.
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    Ive often wondered: Why is the US entitled to continue meddling in Iraq and their neighbors are not? If mexico were overthrown, don't you think we would be involved there protecting our interests and our citizens?

    Is our force protection there to protect americans, or Sunnis, or Kurds or are we there to protect Shiites?

    If we are there to protect the fragile central government, then we are there to maintain the government elected by the people, which is largely of Iranian-backed Shiite origin.

    What a stupid plan from the outset. Bush really didn't know there were both Shiites and Sunnis living there. What a moron.

    Iran is not a problem a little good old fashioned diplomacy won't solve. Unless of course we are being played for idiots by the Saudis.
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    Holy, there is no direct translation which means that the words are open to interpretation. What one man sees as vanish, another sees as wipe. This is true with almost every language translation made. I'm bilingual. I speak Italian and English. The Italian vocabulay has something like 7,000 fewer words than the English vocabulary. When I try to translate one into the other, my conclusions are different from what my father, mother, or brother may have come to.
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    Now the NIEA is suggesting that there isn't much of an Iranian Iraqi connection...


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16960641/site/newsweek/

    The NIE, representing the consensus view of all 16 U.S. intel agencies, says that because sectarian antagonisms among Iraqis themselves are so intense and "self-sustaining," Iranian or Syrian involvement is "not likely to be a major driver of violence."


    Not only did Chuck D say "Don't believe the hype" let us not forget that Flavor Flav backed him up on that hook.
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    Connection and violence are two different things dude. Oh, and these are the same NIE reports that once told us that Saddam had WMD's. NIE reports don't have a really good track record.
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    dear flip flopper... weren't you just saying last month we need to pull out of the middle east altogether and "let them kill eachother?"

    pick a stance and try to stick with it...
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    what? exaggerated claims about Iran?

    anyone else having deja vu?

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