Twitter report: NFL investigation is more about NFL Officials, not Pats (updated)

[supafly]

What did you expect them to do when they knew they were being filmed?

I'm not knocking personal opinions.

If you choose to believe that the NFL is going to change their story and admit that the refs never really had any starting point to begin with, then that's your call.

I'm just pointing out the fact that I don't believe that myself, that's all. Even if true (and there's a good chance that it may be true), they'll likely never admit to it in my opinion.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Pissah: "...a simple hand job check of the balls..."??? Come on...LOL!

I admit it. I am SO 8th grade.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

A ball boy who worked in 2003 for the Chicago Bears? Keep hanging your hat on that one, and maybe you'll win the internet. The standard is a bit different these days. The fact remains that the NFL claims that the balls were properly measured, so that's what we're up against. I'm guessing they aren't going to suddenly change their story any time soon.

I just saw a video this morning that shows the "process" of the NFL refs before the game, and yes--they were using a gauge to measure the air. http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

There were some balls where they stated that "it was close enough," and also some where they had to take air out of, but it showed the process of how they go through it prior to the game.

Of course the NFL would only let a video that shows the refs doing their job. But I said based on the fact refs have a history of just giving them the squeeze test, I wouldn't be surprised that's what they did Sunday night. I never said it was a fact but that it has been a common practice by the NFL refs.

The NFL said the balls were underinflated in the first half. We don't know if that's based on how they changed from when checked, assuming the refs used a gauge, or that are just saying that since at half they were under, probably because of the weather.

We still don't know, but the NFL has said no way shape or form the refs did their job and measured the balls before.

 

[Dr Pain]

The statement stated that they were "inspected," not "measured," and they didn't specify what the psi was. This memo was written by an army of lawyers. Do you really think the wording is a mistake? If they measured the balls psi-wise, the statement would have made that clear.

Even if they did, we've already established that the psi drop by halftime is absolutely in line with the temperature change. The only thing that matters is whether or not a Pats employee tampered with the balls post-inspection. It's becoming increasingly clear that no one did.

What is not explainable now is how the Patriots ball intercepted by and held by the Colts was 1 PSI less than the other 10 Patriot balls. the 12th was tossed in the stands. Could it be tampering by Colts who then reported the extra low # to the NFL starting this.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Of course the NFL would only let a video that shows the refs doing their job. But I said based on the fact refs have a history of just giving them the squeeze test, I wouldn't be surprised that's what they did Sunday night. I never said it was a fact but that it has been a common practice by the NFL refs.

Need to add on to this through edit

 

[supafly]

The statement stated that they were "inspected," not "measured," and they didn't specify what the psi was. This memo was written by an army of lawyers. Do you really think the wording is a mistake? If they measured the balls psi-wise, the statement would have made that clear.

They released a very brief statement which claimed that the balls were good prior to the game. Many people would definitely be surprised if they went through a huge dog and pony show by comparing measurements at halftime to.......absolutely nothing.

That's what you believe? Really? You really believe that there is a major law firm, forensic investigators, and a former FBI agent behind a huge investigation-- And yet they don't even have a starting point of comparison?

Good luck with their investigation, if that's the case. I think they are stupid, but not quite THAT stupid!

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

NFL needs a win here. Can't happen. So at least they need to save face.
Best to find a way to let them off the hook. The refs. The perception of ref competence is "integral to the game". Not the word perception.
BB sagely left them a way out.
NFL needs to say "Review indicates that the underlying problem is that our ball qualifying process is flawed. It does not allow for common winter weather. We will fix this heretofore by blah, blah."

 

[Archeryaddict12]

They released a very brief statement which claimed that the balls were good prior to the game. Many people would definitely be surprised if they went through a huge dog and pony show by comparing measurements at halftime to.......absolutely nothing.

That's what you believe? Really? You really believe that there is a major law firm, forensic investigators, and a former FBI agent behind a huge investigation-- And yet they don't even have a starting point of comparison?

Good luck with their investigation, if that's the case. I think they are stupid, but not quite THAT stupid!

Supa, being good just means the ref said they could play with them. The NFL hasn't said they were actually recorded pressures or they were checked. The ref seriously could have squeezed them and said ok, they are GOOD to play with.

 

[supafly]

I admit it. I am SO 8th grade.

8th grade? What are you, a late bloomer?

By eighth grade I was rounding third base and heading for home

 

[supafly]

NFL needs a win here. Can't happen. So at least they need to save face.
Best to find a way to let them off the hook. The refs. The perception of ref competence is "integral to the game". Not the word perception.
BB sagely left them a way out.
NFL needs to say "Review indicates that the underlying problem is that our ball qualifying process is flawed. It does not allow for common winter weather. We will fix this heretofore by blah, blah."

Yes, PWP. I agree 100 percent.

I also feel that this could have happened days ago, which would have fixed everything and put the focus back where it should be.

It's hard to understand how this could've happened like this.

 

[hwc]

It's simple. All the NFL has to do is release a list of the pre-game inflation pressures for the 36 balls the ref tested. Then, we have something to talk about. Until then, there's no there there. You certainly can't talk about "deflation" until you know where the balls started 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game.

As Belichick said, what the NFL refs did or did not do are questions that need to be asked of the NFL. Seems to me that there are usually plenty of league sources available to answer questions about these balls, although they seem to have gotten kinda quiet here lately...

 

[Patriot Missile]

I've made it pretty clear from the beginning where I stand. It just took a couple of reporters with a brain to get off the hate train.

Next what I want to see is the true measurements for both teams.

Were the colts inflated to 13.5 psi and dropped to 12.5 psi?

Same for the Patriots. Were they 12.5 originally and dropped to 11.5?

If that is the case then the Nfl just needs to apologize and change their stupid rule and make it mandatory that all balls need to be 13.5 and then rechecked at halftime. (That is your only out Roger. You've already made a mockery of the entire 2014 season. He could save face and just walk away with his Volturi with their tail between their legs.)

 

[supafly]

Supa, being good just means the ref said they could play with them. The NFL hasn't said they were actually recorded pressures or they were checked. The ref seriously could have squeezed them and said ok, they are GOOD to play with.

In my dreams, this too is what I see.

In reality, I am a bit more skeptical to think that they can have an established law firm, a forensics investigation team, and a former FBI official running an investigation with NOTHING TO COMPARE TO.

Does that really make a lot of sense to you? Honestly? Or are you just "hoping" this is what happened.

How can you have an investigation with no baseline numbers to compare to? It would be impossible. Just my opinion.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

They released a very brief statement which claimed that the balls were good prior to the game. Many people would definitely be surprised if they went through a huge dog and pony show by comparing measurements at halftime to.......absolutely nothing.

That's what you believe? Really? You really believe that there is a major law firm, forensic investigators, and a former FBI agent behind a huge investigation-- And yet they don't even have a starting point of comparison?

Good luck with their investigation, if that's the case. I think they are stupid, but not quite THAT stupid!

Yes they're stupid.
But not in quite that way.
The investigators etc. are focusing on (1) interviewing people (2) viewing porn videos, sorry I mean All 22 videos. This to determine if somebody messed with the balls.
Even IF they knew weather was the driving factor, which I believe there were clueless at first, they'd have to do this now after the media storm if only for show.
I don;t believe for a minute they gauge & record all the balls before a game. I believe they did at THIS one halftime, but not earlier.

 

[supafly]

It's simple. You certainly can't talk about "deflation" until you know where the balls started 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game.

Winner!

Ding, ding, ding.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

In my dreams, this too is what I see.

In reality, I am a bit more skeptical to think that they can have an established law firm, a forensics investigation team, and a former FBI official running an investigation with NOTHING TO COMPARE TO.

Does that really make a lot of sense to you? Honestly? Or are you just "hoping" this is what happened.

How can you have an investigation with no baseline numbers to compare to? It would be impossible. Just my opinion.

It wouldn't make sense but are the investigators just trying to find if someone tampered with them? Specifically if someone from the pats did? The fact they have interviewed 40 people and not even Brady doesn't make sense also.

 

[supafly]

Yes they're stupid.
But not in quite that way.
The investigators etc. are focusing on (1) interviewing people (2) viewing porn videos, sorry I mean All 22 videos. This to determine if somebody messed with the balls.
Even IF they knew weather was the driving factor, which I believe there were clueless at first, they'd have to do this now after the media storm if only for show.
I don;t believe for a minute they gauge & record all the balls before a game. I believe they did at halftime, but not earlier.

If this is the actual case and they never had any baseline measurements to compare to (I don't think they'd ever admit to that), then this could be the blackest mark in the entire history of the NFL.

A major scandal that can neither be proven or dis proven, and during the 2015 SB at that!

Hopefully, this is what's happening--but forgive my skepticism, that's all.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Isn't SharksOfVegas the same feed that told us that the NFL was going to call a press conference on Friday, and exonerate the Patriots?

Sharks of Vegas said that the Pats would be exonerated, and they expected it to happen over the weekend, but they couldn't be certain of exactly when because the NFL was still trying to delay in hopes of finding something.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SharksOfVegas/status/558689893917163520

https://mobile.twitter.com/SharksOfVegas/status/558652629413527552

https://mobile.twitter.com/SharksOfVegas/status/558482694590726144

 

[Jackson 2]

I admit it. I am SO 8th grade.

Don't worry about it. I'm as old as dirt and every time I'm clicking around and hit "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" I watch until the end.

 

[supafly]

It wouldn't make sense but are the investigators just trying to find if someone tampered with them? Specifically if someone from the pats did? The fact they have interviewed 40 people and not even Brady doesn't make sense also.

We really don't know one way or another what's real and what isn't---but as of today, the NFL has definitely made a strong suggestion that they knew for a fact the balls were good ahead of the game one way or another.

Maybe we find in the coming days how wrong they are/were? Or maybe we find that it's all on the refs after all?

If that is the case, then the investigation is one hundred percent flawed in every way, and therefore should be dismissed immediately.