Discussion in 'NFL Football Forum' started by Deus Irae, Jan 3, 2012.
Turner, Smith to return
That is great news. Turner keeps San Diego from becoming elite like the Pats
Up with mediocrity!
Spanos is obviously unfamiliar with the definition of insanity
San Diego records in the last four years:
Spanos canned Marty after 14-2, but he's letting these two stick around after that four year stretch. The AFC West is, no doubt, very grateful.
Greg Bedard is having a field day with this on Twitter:
Now taking over Al Davis' role as crazy NFL owner from California, Dean Spanos.
Turner after blowing game to Patriots: "I am so excited about our football team."
You would never, ever hear Bill Belichick or any other good coach say that after committing four turnovers.
Or this a day later: "Yesterday, we were four turnovers away from having a chance." I feel bad for Chargers fans. They don't deserve this
Chiefs fans react:
Football Breaking News: Turner, Smith to return to chargers - ChiefsPlanet
Imagine their talent on offense, if well-coached, and supplemented by a sound defensive philosophy, and some semblance of special teams play.
Cool, actually... one less team to worry about.
SOJ = Same Old Jets.
SOC = Same Old Chargers.
Ahaha that is hilarious they are going bananas over there
San Diego has a ton of free agents coming up:
Their center Hardwick
Nose Guard Antonio Garay
Hardwick may retire, but they have alot of rebuilding to do, and that roster is not even close to the one that Rex would have won those two Superbowls with.
I can't belive these guys still have jobs.
Awesome, AJ Smith sucks at drafting....living off that monster draft orchestrated by his predecessor. And the Chargers will continue to be mediocre....
San Diego has incredible talent, but one of the crappiest coaches in the NFL..
I applaud this decision..
It's not a laughing matter but his Dad has Alzheimer's and they have recently found a familial genetic link to the early onset variety...
Well I guess the Chargers will continue to simply be average with their version of Gary Kubiak still employed their as their HC.
Some Charger fans I know are saying that this is the nail in the coffin that the Chargers will be in LA for 2013..
I would like to hear a valid explination and rationale for this decision. San Diego is game for game, season for season the least prepared and fundementally unsound team in the NFL. How many games did they lose last year because of the poor play of their special teams unit. And this year...
Never fear however, come prediction time in August they will once again be THE team everyone fears.
Norv has compromising pictures of Spanos, J. Edgar Hoover style. That's what a bum outside of Qualcom told me two years ago.
I heard a rumor they are old high school friends. I don't know if that's the truth, but one disgusted Chargers fan told me it was a fact.
The SD fans must be going out of their minds, but since i think Chargers fans are a notch below jests fans let them suffer. That being said Spanos is out of his mind, hes an example of a terrible owner.
Poor Chargers fans...when will that team learn Norv isn't head coaching material.
Thats great! That means that they will continue to suck a## for at least another year!!! WHHOOOOOOOO!!!! YEAH!!!!! GO NORV!!!!!!!
Do they really? That may have been true a few years ago, but Turner, Sproles, LT, Merriman, Williams, and Cromartie are all gone, and they haven't been replaced all that effectively.
Right now, they basically have Rivers, Gates, Mathews, Floyd, possibly VJax, Phillips, Weddle, Jammer, Cason... good talent, sure, but unless I'm mistaken Mathews is the only one of those guys still on his rookie contract (is Phillips too?), and nobody else that they've drafted that's coming down the pipeline has really been performing.
In terms of total team talent, I'd place them solidly in the middle of the pack, maybe a bit ahead of the curve since they're set at QB and that's so disproportionately important in today's NFL. The "most talented roster in the NFL" days have been over for at least a couple of years though, IMO.
It must suck having ownership as bad as they do in SD. I can see giving Smith a little more rope because he drafts pretty well but Turner is an awful HC and keeping him is solely about money and that is a piss poor way to run a team.
AJ is the root problem though. He hires and fires the coaches seemingly based on personality and deference to him. It's about power as opposed to $$. And he really doesn't draft all that well. He's a talent whore kind of like Al was, and a really lousy judge of character, and he doesn't know how to build a roster top to bottom and a team that can battle through adversity because it's not allowed to be over reliant on overhyped talent and he has fueled the perception that talent in general and the talent he's assembled trumps all to the point his players buy all in.
He's got a big ego like his players and he's a proponent of the GM as builder trumps coach school of thought. His top heavy approach is a lot like Polian's who he worked under in Buffalo and who similarly believes the GM is the key component in winning (and conversely losing is always someone else's fault, probably the HC or a coordinator). Only he's had even less $$$ to work with making if near impossible to retain enough proven talent to build a team around. And he's abrasive and vindictive and an alienator like Polian, too. Bill had a whole lot more success in the same time span, yet his ass got canned already. It's too bad (for SD though not for us) because due to location alone it's a job that would likely appeal to a couple of HC's currently on sabatical but not with AJ at the helm. He wants a low ego puppet HC who serves as fall guy to remain between him and the unemployment line. Spanos is making a huge mistake and has been for a while now considering he needs a new stadium deal and winning greases the skids for those - which was what Polian knew and why he and Irsay lasted as long as they did. It was all about securing the stadium, that Lombardi was just the cherry on the top. But now, having won one and been to another it's all about Lombardi's going forward, and actually winning those was never Bill's strong suit.
People wonder why Dungy bailed as early as he did. He saw the writing on the wall in Indy. He had the owners support but Bill had the roster and staffing and cap control to marginalize him at will. Once they got over the top and got the monkey off his and Manning's back Dungy's internal clock started ticking even faster. The year after that win he coached a team that fielded 19 players who had never taken a snap in the NFL. He also saw Manning get crumpled like a pretzel in what was potentially the beginning of the end of his heyday against Washington that season and he did the math. And he knew that Moore and Mudd and the core coaches and scouts who helped keep Polian's rosters propped up around Manning were getting squeezed out as much over power and influence shifting to Polian's kid as money. Sure Caldwell was the beneficiary of his leaving a year or two too soon, sort of a last hurrah of the decade for the Colts, but that was preferable to Dungy to leaving a year or two too late...or getting canned with his legacy of quiet strength in tatters...
Guys like Norv will never leave voluntarily because they know they are on their last shot. Makes them a perfect ego match for a guy like AJ or a guy like Polian until the owner wakes the F up and realizes it has nothing to do with winning...and it's time to find a GM who gets that winning consistently and not building or maintaining a GM's personal power base is the goal. That's a concept Woody Johnson is going to come face to face with over the next season or two, too. Because everything he's done since 2005, from signing Mangini to drafting Gholston to taking a flyer on Favre to reaching for a Sanchize to signing a blowhard DC Baltimore wouldn't entrust it's own franchise to trading for and rewarding bad boys smart coaches and GM's were done with while couched in terms of winning now has really been engineered towards launching and maintaining Tannenbaum's career as a GM and elevating his profile via media spin... Yet he's surrounded himself with such a plethora of perfect foils to take the fall ahead of him in Mangini and Favre and Schottenheimer and Mark and Santonio and Rex that the good news for Patsfans is he's likely to hang in there a few years beyond all reason...before Woody makes his next GM mistake...
They say that the one job Cowher is holding out for is Coughlin's and if that transpires in the next season or two Woody's head will explode and that is when Tannenbaum will likely face the music.
There is so much drama behind the scenes in football FO's. I know the media here laments we don't get to experience any of that and they'd love to create some. Thank god Bill and Tom have the wherewithall to flumox them at every turn...
Turner and Smith must have pictures and tapes on Spanos...I suspect that various farm animals are involved...
On a more serious note, I'm at a loss to explain the Chargers.
As hard as it is to admit this and as much as I didn't like the way Archie Manning went about it, he was right to keep Eli out of that organization in 2004.
On paper, the Chargers did well in that deal, garnering picks that yielded Shawn Merriman and Nate Kaeding. They also have done better in the regular season than the Giants since then (84--44 vs. 74--54). But they can't seem to get out of their own way when it counts at the end of the season and in the Playoffs.
On paper, Rivers looks better than Manning. Rivers has a much higher Pass Rating than Eli, largely because Manning throws what should be way too many picks (a 1.4 TD/INT ratio vs. 2.0 for Phillip). Like Phil Mickelson in another sport, this Manning seems to "check out" mentally in too many important situations.
But the NFL is about winning and the Chargers can't seem to get it together when it counts.
The only explanations I'm left with are that Rivers is somehow flawed when the chips are "all in" or there is something intangible in how the organization goes about its business. I really don't know.
The game isn't played on paper, it's played on grass or turf. AJ probably rules in his fantasy league. As does Rivers. But you watch him play and that frenetic style and bizarro delivery and the impatient and emotional mentality that is either over the top good or bad...on a team chock full of inflated but delicate egos, and it's a recipe for disaster. AJ collects talent and then pumps it up to be too good to lose. Similar to the entitled mentality that has permeated the Cowboys psyche since their heyday. Guys living off rep and perception, much of which isn't earned or justified.
so...with Turner returning to SD, I guess THAT shoots down the Jet fan lust to hire him as O coordinator...because,as I've come to realize, all head coaches would just jump at the chance to take a step down in rank and gladly sign on for 1/10th the salary to coach under Rex Ryan and the great Jets organization.
How soon before "Mike Martz to the Jets!!!!!" starts?...check that...probably has already....
Started pretty much the moment Martz was free.....
Mike Martz resigns from Bears - Jets Insider.com Forums
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