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  1. JackPMiller

    JackPMiller On the Game Day Roster

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    Who would have thunk, today is the 10th anniversary of the death of 2Pac Shakur, he was murdered, and the killer was never found and all. Tupac as an artist, or songwriter, considered a genius. Probably one of greatest artist of all-time. He is up there with Elvis and John Lennon as that kind of legend.

    Who would have thunk 10 yars later, people still talk about this man. I go through the net and there he is. The media talked about Pac, and even our morning paper had an article on him, even though it is not on their site, but wow. Ten years. 2Pac is considered the greatest rapper, to walk the earth. This comes from people of his own peers.
     
  2. mavfan2390

    mavfan2390 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    I LOVE 2Pac, and I'm one of those crazy fans who thinks he's still alive lol!

    check this out....its crazy, i got it from here: http://www.nbrid.net/node/14

    The uncontested facts:

    After leaving the Tyson fight on Saturday September 7, 1996 Tupac was alledgedly shot 5 times. He lived through the shooting and was taken to a nearby hospital.

    He was pronounced dead on Friday September 13, 1996.
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    The suspicious facts:

    Friday the 13th is a very suspicious day.

    There were never any pictures released of Tupac in the hospital.

    In the song "Life Goes On", Tupac raps about his own funeral.

    The driver of the car in which Tupac was riding, Suge Knight (the executive producer of Death Row Records), didn't show up for questioning about the shooting.

    The video "I ain't Mad at Cha" was released only a few days after his death. "I ain't Mad at Cha" is track 13 on the album All Eyes On Me. The video shows Tupac as an angel in heaven. In the video, Tupac was shot after leaving a theater with a friend, which is very similar to how he was shot in real life. Interestingly, Tupac dies in his last video released under the name "Tupac". His new video "Toss It Up" from the new album was released under the name "Makaveli".

    The second video to be released by the name Makaveli is "To Live and Die in L.A." But how could they shoot the second video when he is "dead". Do you really think the video was shot 4 months ago, back in August of '96? Think about it.

    In the video "Hail Mary" released under the name Makaveli, there is a gravestone that says Makaveli. But the gravestone is cracked and there is a hole right in front of it, inferring that Makaveli rose from the dead.

    A shooting involving Snoop Doggy Dogg occured close to the release of his album Doggystyle. The shooting made Snoop appear more "real" and showed his fans that he really was a gangsta. The shooting gave him respect because everyone that bought his album believed what he was talking about. Within one week of its release, Doggystyle went platnium. Snoop is signed to the same label as Tupac which is Death Row Records. In December '96, Tupac's new album went platinum.

    In interviews prior to the shooting, Tupac talked about how he wanted to stop rapping and being a gangsta and get out of the limelight. What is the only way Tupac could completly escape the media spotlight ??? (Answer: if the public thought he was dead.)

    There are no suspects for the shooting.

    Press wasn't going to be allowed at the funeral, but then the funeral was cancelled for unknown reasons.

    Tupac always wore a bulletproof vest, no matter where he went. Why didn't he wear it to a very public event like a Tyson fight? (Because he wanted to make it seem like he could be shot.)

    In most of his songs he talks about being buried, so why was he allegedly cremated the day after he "died"? And since when do they cremate someone the day after death without an autopsy? Furthermore, it is illegal to bury someone who has been murdered without an autopsy.

    The new Tupac album released on Nov. 5, and was originally supposed to be an EP of 6 songs, but was then extended to a full length album of 12 songs.

    Tupac's alias is Makaveli. Though the spelling is different, Machiavelli was a 16th century italian philosopher who advocated the staging of one's death in order to evade one's enemies and gain power.

    In Machiavelli's book Discourses Upon the First Ten Books of Titus Livy, in Book 2 Chapter XIII he says "a prince who wishes to achieve great things must learn to deceive". This is Machiavelli's main idea and is the connection between Tupac and the writings of Machiavelli.

    The title of the new album by Makaveli (Tupac) is The 7 Day Theory. He was shot on September 7th; and survived on the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and"died" the 13th. Hence the title The 7 Day Theory.

    Tupac's album All Eyes on Me was released on Feb.13, 1996. Tupac "died" on Sept.13, 1996. It is quite a coincidence that the two dates are exactly 7 months apart.

    Tupac officially died at 4:03 PM. 4+3 = 7 Also he "died" at an age of 25 years. 2+5 = 7 It seems as if seven is Tupac's number.

    There is nothing in the new album that says TUPAC RIP 1971-1996. Wouldn't it make sense to include something like that in the first album after his "death"? The only thing mentioned is "EXIT TUPAC ENTER MAKAVELI".

    The executive producer of The 7 Day Theory , as listed in the CD booklet of the album, is Simon (who is a previously unknown producer in the rap music industry). In the bible, Simon was an apostle of Jesus. Simon was one of the first witnesses of the Resurrection listed by Saint Paul (I Cor. 15: 5). Could Simon be a reference to Suge Knight(the executive producer of Death Row records)? Simon was renamed "Peter, the rock" (John 1:42).

    In Richie Rich's album Seasoned Veteran, which was released on the same day as The 7 Day Theory, on the song "N*ggas Done Changed" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says the following lyrics: "I've been shot and murdered, can't tell you how it happened word for word / but best believe that n*ggas' gonna get what they deserve." This phrase implies that Tupac knows he will be dead when Richie Rich's album is released.

    In Makaveli's (Tupac's) song "White Man's World" on album The 7 Day Theory, he says "We ain't never gonna walk off this planet unless ya'll choose to." Did he choose to walk off the planet by faking his death?

    In Tupac's song "Ambitionz az a Ridah" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "Blast me but they didn't finish, didn't diminish my powers so now I'm back to be a muthaf*ckin' menace, they cowards thats why they tried to set me up, had b*tch *ss n*ggas on my team so indeed they wet me up, BUT I'M BACK REINCARNATED." This implies that Tupac is reincarnated as Makaveli.

    In Tupac's song "Life of an Outlaw" on the album The 7 Day Theory, he says "All for the street fame on how to be managed, to plan sh*t, 6 months in advance to what we plotted, approved to go on swole and now I got it"-Life Of An Outlaw. This implies that Tupac planned his "death" in advance and now he is enjoying the success of his plan.

    In Tupac's song "Made Niggaz" from the Supercop Soundtrack, he says "F*ck 'em all who don't understand my plot to get richer... Outlaw to the grave, a muthaf*ckin' made nigga I got a plan to get richer. Take my picture." Once again he mentions his "plan" to get rich.

    In E-40's album Hall Of Game in the song "Million Dollar Spot" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says, "Fans can't understand my ghetto slang, so i evade and plot and plan a life of better things...." Once again Tupac mentions his "plan".

    In Tupac's song "Ain't Hard 2 Find" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "I heard rumors I died, murdered in cold blood, tramatized pictures of me in my final states, you know momma cryed, but that was fiction, some coward got the story twisted." It seems as if Tupac foretold the future.

    Scarface's song "Smile", which is a duet with Tupac, was supposedly recorded in September of '96, before Tupac was "shot". But the video for the song was released in May of '97 and the video depicts Tupac rapping while he appears to be crucified. At the end of the video, Tupac falls off the cross and stands up...which is another image of resurection. Towards the end of the video, it becomes slightly apparent that Tupac is actually portrayed by a look-alike. I still wonder, if he is really dead, then why do they keep making everyone so suspicious???

    In the video for "I Wonder if Heaven Got a Ghetto" the town it takes place in is called Rukahs. "Rukahs" spelled backwards is "Shakur". The room he goes into with the girl is room number 7. The clock in the background at the end is at 4:03...the same time he officially died. More funny stuff from the video producers. My question still remains, why?

    In Tupac's song "No More Pain" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "A heart of a soldier with the brains to teach a whole nation." Could this be a reference to Machievelli or Jesus?

    On the cover of The 7 Day Theory, there is a picture of Tupac being crucified. This fits with the idea that Tupac "died" so he could be reincarnated as Makaveli. In the picture, there are five bullet holes. Interestingly, Tupac was "shot" 5 times.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Not too big on rap. More of a heavy metal-hard rocker.
    One tune I really dug was "California" by Tupac. Great groove.
     
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    He was murdered only about a block from where my parents lived at the time in Las Vegas. I've been there and I've been to the Dakota in Manhattan. The site of Lennon's murder. California Love is one of my favorite songs regardless of genre. I think he was a real talent and would have been huge. Probably the real reason he was killed.
     
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    fleabassist1 In the Starting Line-Up

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    #12 Jersey

    \m/


    ... and \m/.


    I'm not really big on Tupac ... but, among everyone else in the world, i'v heard changes. Sweet song... good message.
     
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    I look at Tupac as a symbol of the tragedy of black on black violence.... assuming this was an East/West rap war killing as I think most assume.

    In that sense I don't look at the loss of a promising 14 year old young black man as any less tragic than the loss of a so-called genius.

    I don't know what it will take to make it stop.

    No doubt one might question whether society as a whole as created a culture that seems to have a prevelance violence within African American community, but ultimately its up to leaders within the African American community to stop the cycle of violence.
     
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    Notorious B.I.G. was the best rapper.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Tupac= Lennon and Elivs??????

    Seriously, how many people without criminal records could even name a single song made by him???

    You have to be kidding, right? Funny Joke!

    Did you actually say that SixpackofSchiltz had the same impact on society and music as Lennon or Elvis??

    He was murdered by the man sitting next to him in that car, the man who made all the money from his post-death record sales (apparently ole sixpackofschlitz's mother got screwed out of his royalities by Shuge). LA cops have resinged over this investigation. They all know who did it. Unfortunatley for rappers, the men who produce their records have found that they sell much better if said rapper is killed in a blaze of gun fire (it's called "street cred").
     
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    Wow, that was cold Ted. I was thinking along those lines, but not to that extent. I don't think he had the impact of Elvis or Lennon. I don't think I've heard his music, but would be interested in the above mentioned songs. My thoughts were that nobody (most of society) was interested enough in his murder to care. Remember the hoax with Paul and the Beatles? Maybe a different time, but it did create a buzz.
     
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    Tupac was a mindless illiterate thug, who celebrated violence. Wasn't he the one who was convicted of raping some chick and later shot for it?

    It's great that he is held up as an example for "youth" especially black youth. He represents everything wrong with the culture, especially black culture. High rates of violence, of reacting to being "dissed" by shooting someone. Of thinking of working hard and bettering yourself as being "for suckers". The "get rich or die trying" mentality. He's the poster child for the black drop out rates of 50%. Great role model.

    Yeah, he's up there with Mahatma Ghandi and John Lennon.
     
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    Sounds like you know him well........or don't know him at all and just spewing stereotypes. "Wasn't he the one convicted of raping some chick and later shot for it?" Wouldn't it have been better to have some credibility and research it before you accuse someone of a crime?
     
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    Better than Chuck D.?
     

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