Troy Brown,Ty Law: "Pats Cant Play Man To Man D"

[PATSYLICIOUS]

The New England Patriots defense is not playing any better than last year especially in the first week of December.

As for the AFC Playoffs, the New England Patriots lost to a below average quarterback last season in the divisional round.

That loss was more on the offense/ST's than the defense. The way that game played out, Brady did not have to be perfect and the only reason the Jets scored so much is because they started in our territory 4 times (twice inside our 30).

Point is if we play efficiently on offense this defense has a solid shot to hold up. They didn't have a fair shot in the game you're referring to so it's not a strong reference.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Let's call this what it is. If Brady gets hot and our OLine gets healthy we can win a SB.

If Brady and OLine plays so so then we will lose in the playoffs.

It's just the way this team will be until we improve this D through FA or Draft

pretty much this. This team goes as far as Brady takes them and thats it. Maybe our D can step up the way the Colts did when they won their trophy but if not, its in Bradys hands. Same goes (but to a lesser extent the Packers and the Saints.)

 

[ATippett56]

That loss was more on the offense/ST's than the defense. The way that game played out, Brady did not have to be perfect and the only reason the Jets scored so much is because they started in our territory 4 times (twice inside our 30).

Point is if we play efficiently on offense this defense has a solid shot to hold up. They didn't have a fair shot in the game you're referring to so it's not a strong reference.

Nope! New York Jets five trips into the red zone, four touchdowns allowed by the New England Patriots defense.

 

[Joker]

mistakes are the killer in the playoffs...all these freaking end of the world posts about last year's playoff game equating THAT with THIS season...the Patriots played almost mistake free football today....last year's playoff game was a cavalcade of unforced errors...this season so far, when the Pats blitz a LB he HITS the QB...they had ZERO penetration last season. If you think a Slater is starting in the Pats secondary, or a Koutovides at linebacker in the playoffs, I have to question your use of hallucinogenics.

I was at the game last season and Ryan's "amoeba" defense caused Brady problems in the second half...this season the offense solved his degeneRAT defensive wrinkle at the Razor and then positively destroyed it in THEIR house...and showed they are clearly the better team...yet there's this persistent segment of the Patriot fanbase that still wants to wallow in the misery of last year's playoff loss and absolutely equivocate it to this year's team.Maybe Ryan comes up with the "Conk Gronk" defense where he puts four players on him and dares Brady to throw to Welker and Co. Personally, I WANT the Pats to play the Rats in their first game and get momentum rolling in a rout.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Why is it when a team makes a comeback to get close to the Pats score it's called 'garbage time' but if the team is way ahead and they continue to extend the gap between scores they are considered to be 'running it up'?

What games when the Pats are ahead should they decide to let Garbage time points score?

They didn't let the Jets score Garbage Time points in that 45-3 win last year

 

[denverpatsfan]

This defense is not good. That being said you will not see Slater starting in the playoffs.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

This defense is not good. That being said you will not see Slater starting in the playoffs.

Nope it's the odd week,not even week...That means Ventrone starts at Safety in the first playoff game

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Nope! New York Jets five trips into the red zone, four touchdowns allowed by the New England Patriots defense.

Yeah and 2 of those 'trips' started right outside the red zone. Our offense scored 3 points until late in the 3rd quarter You're asking too much out of a defense to win a game in those circumstances, our 2003 defense probably couldn't win a game in those circumstances. Poor reference

 

[ATippett56]

Yeah and 2 of those 'trips' started right outside the red zone. Our offense scored 3 points until late in the 3rd quarter You're asking too much out of a defense to win a game in those circumstances, our 2003 defense probably couldn't win a game in those circumstances. Poor reference

Meanwhile, the 2004 New England Patriots held the vaunted 2004 Indianapolis Colts offense to three points at Foxboro, MA during the 2004 AFC Divisional Playoffs with Asante Samuel, Randall Gay, and Troy Brown playing cornerback. 3 points Peyton Manning, 28 points Mark Sanchez. My how far the New England Patriots defense have really fallen.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Meanwhile, the 2004 New England Patriots held the vaunted 2004 Indianapolis Colts offense to three points at Foxboro, MA during the 2004 AFC Divisional Playoffs with Asante Samuel, Randall Gay, and Troy Brown playing cornerback. 3 points Peyton Manning, 28 points Mark Sanchez. My how far the New England Patriots defense have really fallen.

Meanwhile you're failing to grasp the point. It doesn't take a genius to see the defense has fell off since 2004 but blaming 28 points on the defense in that game is absurd.

 

[bigfandan]

9-3, have the division locked, will be a 1 or 2 seed in the playoffs. That is reality.

That is not defending the defense that was out there in the 4th quarter today, we probably will not see that combo the rest of the year, including the playoffs.

The problem is matching the defense scheme to personnel. The read and react zone just does not work well with our players. It's better let them attack and give up occasional big plays than being hit with 90+ yard 10 play drives.

But guy is stubborn, hard for an pissy old dog to learn new tricks.

 

[DVN]

It is that poor talent issue that keeps lurking in the background. I think Devin Mccourty is too short to be a shutdown corner.

um, maybe someone should tell that to Darelle Revis?

They are the same height.....

 

[bigfandan]

New England, NOLA and Green Bay all have comparable defenses...

Not sure what happened to McCourty...

The main difference between GB and us is on offense, despite similar productivity, our passing game is very thin and so dependent on a couple of key playmakers (Welker, Gronk, Branch). They have 7 good receivers.

GB can lose Nielson or Jennings to injuries and still have a very strong receiver corp (Finley, Driver, Stark, Cobb). If NE loses either Welker or Gronk, our passing game will likely be shut down.

Ted Thompson the GM is far better than BB the GM.

 

[ATippett56]

Meanwhile you're failing to grasp the point. It doesn't take a genius to see the defense has fell off since 2004 but blaming 28 points on the defense in that game is absurd.

Two words - Mark Sanchez. Get it?

 

[Keyser Söze]

Why is it when a team makes a comeback to get close to the Pats score it's called 'garbage time' but if the team is way ahead and they continue to extend the gap between scores they are considered to be 'running it up'?

What games when the Pats are ahead should they decide to let Garbage time points score?

They didn't let the Jets score Garbage Time points in that 45-3 win last year

People on here want to give the defense an out. That's why they always bring up this "garbage time" crap. We werent playing prevent people.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Why is it when a team makes a comeback to get close to the Pats score it's called 'garbage time' but if the team is way ahead and they continue to extend the gap between scores they are considered to be 'running it up'?

What games when the Pats are ahead should they decide to let Garbage time points score?

They didn't let the Jets score Garbage Time points in that 45-3 win last year

funny how nobody has responded to this with a rebuttal

The fact of the matter is the defense simply didn't play well in the end. Sterling Moore wasn't the one who got flat out beat on back to back plays. Sterling Moore wasn't the one who took a bad angle on Donald Browns TD run. It would be one thing if the Colts dinked and dunked there way up the field but the moved it in chunks much like the Giants did after we gave them the ball back.

 

[bigfandan]

um, maybe someone should tell that to Darelle Revis?

They are the same height.....

What's wrong with this F'ing board, ppl are fixiated on minutia. Why does this even fockingmatter?

 

[alvinnf]

People on here want to give the defense an out. That's why they always bring up this "garbage time" crap. We werent playing prevent people.

Actually it was a mix of prevent, sprinkled with blitz, highlighted by Sterling Moore on Garcon at cb. I think it's safe to say they were "mixing" things up.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Actually it was a mix of prevent, sprinkled with blitz, highlighted by Sterling Moore on Garcon at cb. I think it's safe to say they were "mixing" things up.

no, Sterling Moore was not on Garcon it was McCourty. Really have to wonder how many people watched the end of the game with all of this mis information going around. They were most certainly not in prevent defense.

 

[Sciz]

no, Sterling Moore was not on Garcon it was McCourty. Really have to wonder how many people watched the end of the game with all of this mis information going around. They were most certainly not in prevent defense.

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