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  1. DarrylS

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    Guess there is some labor unrest going on for the Nation's Largest Retailer and their skinflint practices may be catching up to them..

    Some Walmart workers decided to strike on Black Friday after they were targeted for retaliation for speaking out about substandard work conditions and treatment last month in the first ever walk out in the history of the company. The Occupy Movement is supporting them..

    I do not expect a huge impact on Wal Mart, as many will be afraid of losing their menial jobs.. heard something on the radio the other day about how a large retail operation in NYC(Abercrombie Fitch??), entire workforce is comprised of part timers.. they have something like 1,000 employees all work no more than 10 hours per week. JC Penney is trending the same way, it is the employees responsibility to check in daily to see if they are scheduled..

    Wal-Mart workers plan Black Friday walkout - Nov. 15, 2012

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    Don't really get how all the above is connected.

    The Walmart point is clear and who can blame anyone who works for that fleabag company. I hope they all go out on mass strikes so no one can shop there the entire Christmas season.

    The fact the OWS are supporting them adds nothing to the discussion because they're an irrelevant group.

    Who care if Abercrombie and JCP only have part time workers....and how is that connected to....Trouble looming for Walmart on, "Black Friday"???

    And please people, don't boycott Walmart unless the employees actually are willing to strike. If they're not willing to strike, it must not be a big enough deal to them, so it won't be big enough for us to boycott. It is they who need to sacrifice, not us.

    None of us are responsible for Walmart employee well being....that is 100% there responsibility.
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    If you have to ask about the penchant for these big employers to only hire "day workers", you will never understand...

    As I said there probably will not be a strike, and most folks are chickenshyt about their jobs.. when you have a very small piece of the pie, you fear losing that piece... very difficult to organize people who are continually in fear of job loss.

    OWS is supporting them, if that is irrelevant in your eyes so be it..
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    I actually understand it on a deeper level than you do Darryl.

    I'm fully aware that PUBLIC corporations MUST earn higher profits every single year. I understand that they have no choice but to fulfill their obligations to their share holders while you seem to believe they can do "what is right" by their employees. If they did that, they'd go bankrupt very quickly.

    Now if they were private companies, then you'd have a point.

    BTW...we'll be seeing JC Penney go out business very soon. So then you can watch all those poor part-time workers collect unemployment.

    OWS is irrelevant to the majority of Americans Darryl.

    I'd LOVE to see Walmart employees strike and form a union. But it's up to them to take action...not anyone else's responsibility but theirs. Small piece of the pie withstanding.
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    If they strike, fire them. If you can't find people to replace them, then it looks like they'll have to pay and/or offer more to prospective employees. They're only going to hire part timers in a couple of years anyway, once Obamacare kicks in. If not them, then most who can will.
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    They have always favored part timers, that is the problem.. and the subject of many law suits..
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    How can they possibly replace the greeters in such a short time frame ... that job requires intense training. Come to think of it I don't think any Walmart job requires more training than a here's your Walmart uniform ... get to work - it's not a company of einsteins at the store level.
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    When was the last time a big retailer failed because they could not find employees?

    How many of these people are forced to work those jobs?

    Quit and find something better.....
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    self employed people like myself read these stories of mal content workers and we cringe. these people are lucky someone wants to even hire their pathetic selves. if they had any skills or any dedication in their earlier life they would not be working at Walmart. they are to pathetic to realize that beyond Walmart nobody even will want them.
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    Thats a grossly unfair and sweeping generalization about an entire labor force.
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    Why?

    Beyond the handicapped and senior citizen and teen workers Walmart employs why is it unfair? Workers work at below standard prices because they are unqualified or undesirable to be hired at higher prices. If they had the skills to be paid more they would not be working at Walmart. It may sound harsh but that is the reality of employment in our country today.

    Young people should take notice ... they should stay in school and do their homework and stay out of trouble. They should go to college or trade school even at government expense so that they don't ever have to be used by a company such as Walmart. Sorry OMGWTFJUDD but I sacrificed much in my younger life so I would never have to work at a Walmart or such a company ... and I grew up poor to boot.

    It does not imply that the people are not nice, or hard working or honest or anything else. it does imply that they are used because they are desperate. Workers work at low rates and with little to no benefits for employment reasons. Walmart is a drain on their local communities resources including health care. They offer little to nothing in the area of benefiting anyone except for Walmart.

    With the exceptions of the seniors and handicapped and teens ... but even then Walmart is saving money more than they are serving humanity.

    Am I a Walmart hater .... YES!!!

    Will any of those strikers easily find another job .... NO!

    If they could find another job they would not be working at Walmart.

    I hope they strike because i hate Walmart ... I also think they deserve to be canned for striking ... the fools.
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    Heh heh. Boycotting Wal-Mart during the first day of the Christmas shopping season.

    Good luck with that! :rocker:
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    Let's boil it down to common sense. If you don't like Walmart's policies then don't work there. If you don't have a choice and need a job then be thankful Walmart is providing one for you and learn to live with their policies. It is pretty simple, and there really is no way to argue against it.
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    Does not make them less worthy citizens of society than anybody else.
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    Nobody said they were ... and BTW we have rules here
    you might want to read them before commenting on others opinions in the 1st person.

    I'm not a bigot and you have no business calling me one in the forum.
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    Did you remove a post calling you a bigot or did I miss it?
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    Because we've done so much to grind down unions in this country, strikes have been rare and are all too easily broken. Organized labor no longer enjoys the legal protection it once did.

    As to the idea that someone working at Walmart would strike, I don't get why we have a two-page hate-a-thon about how horribly sub-standard these workers must be.

    The only question is whether the organizers will be successful or unsuccessful. My money's on un-, because Walmart will just hire scabs, and there are plenty of scabs to be had.
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    It was a personal attack do you have a problem that i did?

    Walmart does not on average even pay the average hourly rates of people doing the same work elsewhere. My statement was a fair assessment of the state of the Walmart worker. Most of their rates are near the low end of the scale.

    http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Walmart-Stores-Hourly-Pay-E715.htm
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    This is were the Healthcare reform bill went wrong, they should of made it straight across the board, full-time,part time,any time, that way company's like this don't cut hours to save money aka GREED!

    Now everyone is just going to cut hours and hire more people, the government needs to be two steps ahead of the private sector, they're very very very good at working around laws and not being honest.

    You show me an honest businessman and i'll show you an out of work businessman.:cool:

    Should of made it across the board, healthcare for all!

    Plato said it best:

    You have to be two steps ahead of these companies, they will find ways around the laws....
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    It is like taxes, these companies have legions of lawyers they pay handsomely to figure out how to avoid taxes, rather than pay taxes...

    They have legions of folks figuring out how to screw these workers, and avoid benefits rather than taking care of the employee....

    It was commented on that it is a haven for youngsters, and old people.. it is also a haven for single mothers and underemployed workers... they deserve dignity..
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    Boycotting Walmart on Black Firday is fine if you want. Just know that your protest will not be heard or felt by anyone but you. I never go there but they seem to do just fine. Walmart is the ultimate religious symbol of our culture of consumer-driven, throw-away pigs who will willingly support the seemingly unstoppable trend of a transition from a democracy to a corporate hegemony. Box stores have replaced smaller, independent stores that used to respond to the local needs and were more directly connected to the community. I don't like it. Others think it's "natural".

    There's no use fighting about whether Walmart in a "good vs. evil" framework. We are all to blame. Anyone who bought a 2X4 or door lock at Home Depot instead of their local lumber yard or hardware stoer (which are now largely gone) are to blame. We lost this fight- if there ever even was one- a long time ago and that bell can't be unrung.
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    I just switched over from CVS to Walgreens for my meds. I hope that's okay with the enlightened ones. ;)

    I'm sorry that I wasted my time reading it.
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    Not only did you waste time on reading it, but you felt compelled to respond..

    CVS gives a 30% discount on prescriptions if you have AAA...
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    Nah Icy, I just couldn't see where he called you a bigot, but that was because you removed it, so now I understand what you were mad about.

    I thought you might be saying that the quoted/remaining part of his post was "the same thing as" calling you a bigot, and I started thinking Mr. Kurtz, he dead... now whatever happened to that guy we sent up the Congo to find him? :D

    But I stand corrected... don't get prickly please, I'm not.

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    I'm proud to say I go to Wal-Mart all the time because that is where I do my grocery shopping and I save quite a bit of cash compared to the local supermarket. If you don't like saving money, feel free to waste it as much as you want, but to paint those of us who like saving money as nefarious servants of the devil is quite disingenuous.
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    I won't spend a dime in a Walmart because of their negative impact on the communities where they set up shop. Everywhere they go they decrease that communities economic output and it hurts the community in the long term due to lost wages.

    To each his own practices and opinions ... but no store out there has the same negative impact where they locate as a Walmart.
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    Do you have any sort of source to back that statement up?
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    What will kill Walmart, ironically, will be China's eventual realization that real wages (buying power) must eventually rise for a growing/rising middle class. They've basically got a European- or U.S. - size first-world country towing around eight or nine Nigerias (perhaps w/better natural resources, excepting oil). As lovely as their balance of trade looks to us ("OMG OMG China is so in control!") it also means to them "OMG OMG America can impoverish us with one good round of inflation!"

    Just as we want less interdependence because we don't want that chunk of debt owned by any foreign country, really, China's got huge potential markets at home that can provide demand out the wazoo, with one proviso: They have to somehow earn enough to afford the goods they produce. The old Henry Ford corollary.

    So, stop deflating the buying power of the Yuan, and you may lose some balance of trade "advantage," but you'll also bring online a powerhouse of (from their POV) domestic demand.

    Mitt with his big threat of "Labeling" China on his first day reminded me of that Flo character in the insurance commercials, where everybody's having a "shootout" with label makers and she yells "EVERYBODY JUST... BE COOL." It's inherently funny to think a label machine is a deadly weapon.

    However, China eventually will turn to developing higher demand within China, and allowing the value of the Yuan to increase, particularly as Europe struggles through its problems.

    When that happens, your Wal-Mart goods will rise in price, their competitive advantage will comparatively decline, etc. etc. etc.

    But as Bruce put it, "Foreman said these jobs are going boys/and they ain't comin' back." It's not like Walmart lose but Sears will bounce back. They're getting their goods from the same place. All the big boxes will take the same hit -- which will be good for your local craft-maker types, as their "luxury" prices seem a little more in line... but mostly, will manifest in an "ouch. Clothes and toys cost more" kind of way.

    We win in this scenario to the extent that we have already begun to reinvigorate domestic manufacturing. We lose to the extent that we continue our reliance on cheap walmart style goods.

    And through it all, actual stores will continue to go away as e-tailing flaunts its advantage over retailing.

    Interesting times....
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