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  1. shakadave

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    I get a Washington TV station, and former player Trevor Matich called it "heinous" that Brady and the Pats did the fake spike play (for the Moss TD). His explanation: When the D-line "mushes" upon seeing a spike coming, rather than rushing hard, they are extending a "professional courtesy" to the other team --- and to the QB in particular (sparing him injury). By doing what they did and taking advantage, the Pats showed they cannot be trusted to return this professional courtesy. In future, whenever there's a spike situation, he says, defenses should try to dive through the Pats O-line at Brady's legs. Ditto for when the Pats go into the "victory formation" to take a knee at the end of a half or a game.

    I see his point, but have always thought the fake spike was a clever play.

    P.S. Matich also called Brady "the best quarterback ever to suit up," so I don't think he just has an axe to grind against the Patriots.
     
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    Marino's done it before. Didn't the Jets do it earlier this year?

    Beyond that, quit *****ing.


    Interesting that when Vrabel was playing to the whistle he got lambasted by the Browns and some of the media because he was doing his job. Now the Patriots start to take advantage of players not playing to the whistle and people ***** about that. GFY. G-F-Y.
     
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    Until this year I had never seen Brady try a fake spike - Now its 2 trys in a row

    The best fake QB spike I had ever seen was Marino on MNF against the Jets
    That was a masterpiece fake that had EVERYONE confused except the Dolphins offense.
     
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    All this trickery and domination eventually comes with a price. We can dish it out and if things get ugly I bet we can take it. I just don't want to see any whining in hear if things get to that. Had the D line tried to" dive through the Pats O-line at Brady's legs." honestly, how many people would be climbing all over this board wailing about 'cheap/dirty' shots ?
     
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    Honestly, the play makes me nervous for the reasons he cites -- for the rest of the season, every time the Pats spike the ball the defenders will dive at Brady. Though the fact that they did it 2 weeks in a row almost makes me wonder whether they're courting that, looking for future penalties?
     
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    I think the only reason he did it tonight was he wanted to give Moss a chance at a TD grab. That seems to be what his comments after the game indicated.
     
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    I was amazed at how quickly the Pats got to the line and started the fake spike play. It seemed as if they must have planned it the day before. There wasn't even a huddle, right?
     
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    Diving at a QB's legs is illegal no matter the play. I have 0 problem with an NFL defense trying to break through the O-Line during a spike, before the whistle. Play to the whistle, play to the rules.
     
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    Trevor Matich was the player the pats chose with the pick they got in a swap with SF.SF got AHH let me see, oh yeah Jerry Rice. Anyways where was Matich when Marino did it, or the Jets? When ever we do something its horrable or heinous,when other teams do the same thing its alright.
     
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    If the defensive line is intent on jumping at Brady's feet, maybe we try to draw them offsides or call a three step drop on the next 'fake spike' situation so that they fall at our O-line's feet and we have an easy touchdown. World of possibilities.
     
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    If you huddle first it's not a very convincing fake, eh?
     
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    No, what he is doing is showing the NFL what morons they were for fiing Vrabel.

    They fined Vrabel like he was supposed to stop playing because the Browns were "Obviously" going to spike the ball. Look for a fake spike in every game from now on.

    BB is on a mission. One, he says to the NFL, here's why we don't need to cheat, and two, he keeps everyone saying stupid anti-Patriot things.

    Q) How do you keep a team focused when they believe they are the best?

    A) Show them that everyone is picking on them, singling them out for unfair criticism they wouldn't aim at anyone else. Develop an oh-yeah-we'll-show-you attitude.

    No one criticismed the Colts for Manning setting a passing record, but they are all over the Pats. Every week stupid reporters will ask opposing players, Do you think the Pats ran up the score on you. Most will say no, and they wil be ignored. One moron will say yea, and the talking heads will quote him, thus insuring the doom of whatever team the Pats play next week.

    For years we said the Patriots lacked the Killer Instinct, that they always fell short of dominating teams.

    Well, baby, you can kiss those days good-bye. These ain't your mama's Patriots.
     
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    That's why he sucked out loud as a lineman.
     
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    Where have I been, I thought they "outlawed" the fake spike play?? Was that in college? Did they make the rule, then rescind it? This was years ago, IIRC. Anyone have the info on this?
     
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    As a Patriot, heinous described Trevor Matich as well.
     
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    I hope BB and our OL are aware of this possibility and so ensure that the OL NEVER softens up this season irrespective of whether Brady takes the knee or is genuinely spiking.
     
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    I was thinking that too. If in the future Brady does spike the ball and he does get hit, then it would be considered a late hit on Tom. Just another brilliant scheme by Bilicheck!
     
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    This is the desired result.

    Defenses get tired more rapidly than offenses.

    Eventually, the Patriots may need to execute a 2 minute drill to win a game.

    The opposing defense, having seen the previous fake spikes, will play to the whistle.

    Before they have had a chance to fully recover, Brady will start the next play.
     
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    I don't, either, but rest assured - if a D lineman went for Brady's legs, it would be the last game of the season for that guy. The O line would make damn sure of that!
     
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    Bingo! These are my exact thoughts, the league fined Vrabel for following his coaches instructions and 'playing through the whistle'. BB is sticking up for one his core veteran leaders by showing the league that a spike is not automatic. This is why veteran players love to play for BB.

    Side note - I thought Moss pushed off on the TD but there was obvious pass interference on the deep ball to Moss in the 1st quarter so it all balance out.*
    *Despite Troy Aikman's stating it was a good none call, why is it a good non-call when the CB has his arm wrapped around the WR? I usually don't care about so called announcer bias but the call was so obvious it damages his credibility to state anything contrary.
     
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