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  1. IllegalContact

    IllegalContact Pro Bowl Player

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    start with the bad.....

    - 2 out of the last 3 games the pats have played, the first offensive play from scrimmage has been disastrous, and both were on brady's decision-making.

    now with the good......
    - only 3 cardinal drives resulted in more than one first down, and one of them was 2 first downs....9 drives with zero or one first down. unfortunately, the cardinals got 10 points without needing to get a first down.
    - only one pass play of > 10 yards to a WR.........the secondary seems to be better than it has been in a long time.

    other stuff....points off of turnovers:
    cardinals 10
    pats 0

    what is not characteristic of a belichik coached team is the lack of patience in the offensive game plan. it was tied at halftime, and the cardinals came out with better adjustments in the 2nd half.
     
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    Well the SB was a pretty good game so, I would say 1/3
     
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    The last line from the email above is what left a bad taste in my mouth from the game on Sunday.
     
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    As I pointed out in another threat the 10 points that the Cards got off of turnovers, they gained a combined total of 9 yards on offense to get those points. The field goal was a drive that started on the Pats' 25 yard line and ended on a three and out on the Pats' 19. The TD was a two yard drive that took three attempts to get in.
     
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    The Pats lost arguably the second most important guy on the offense after Brady on the third offensive plays. Most teams when they lose someone as important as Hernandez so early in the game, completely collapse especially against a good defense like the Cards.

    Let's see how the Pats do going on. As we saw with the loss of Law against the Steelers in 2004, the loss of a key player can cause the entire team or unit (offense or defense) to go into a tailspin.
     
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    So, a ball that:

    1) gets tipped at the line and becomes a pop fly
    2) gets picked off by a lineman diving backwards and with one hand
    3) a few minutes into the game

    is both a product of bad decision-making and disastrous?
     
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    Except that if it weren't for the safety on the first offensive play for the pats, an FG would have won it for them in the end......so.....2/3
     
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    How much did the pats lose by?

    Basically, giving the opponent 2 possessions before your 2nd offensive play from scrimmage is disastrous.

    And yup......bad decision making in both cases.
     
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    Yup. If there's one thing I've learned about football, it's that it's impossible for a team to recover from a 6-0 deficit midway through the first quarter. Also, in an alternate world where that ball wasn't picked, the rest of the game would play out exactly the same way and the Pats would've won by a point.
     
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    in case you don't realize, it is a cumulative result.

    and look at the end result
     
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    CB Patrick Peterson made the INT, not a DLman.

    What made that disastrous play a bad decision was Brady's refusal to wait, without pressure,
    for Edelman to cross the field & out of the way of the DLman.

    BTW, that was the exact same play - and target - as the Pick-6 in Buffalo last year. Why doesn't the
    taller Gronk run the route instead of the shorter Edelman? Time to throw that call into the trash, Bill.
     
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    not quite, if there was no safety, the pats would have been up 17-13 when they gave the ball back to the giants. after the wes-welker-cost-us-the-super-bowl drive, the giants would have scored a TD and gone for the extra point instead of the two point conversion, which they attempted and missed in the super bowl. the score would have been 20-17 giants with the ball going back to the patriots. all the pats could have hoped for was a game tying field goal.
     
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    Thought it was Dockett, for some reason. Doesn't change the freakitude of the pick.

    And maybe if Brady waited any longer, Edelman wouldn't have been open. A ball tipped at the line doesn't mean it's a bad decision. It means the lineman got his hands up at the exact right place and time.
     
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    I have to call that oddity, not trend.

    But for sure there should be a recognition that Brady is not actually Super Man. He never was and never will be. Nobody ever was.
     
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    I don't have the game on DVR, but I've seen it on Comcast's 12-min highlights package and
    have rewound that particular play often enough to see that Edelman was open all the way across the field. That INT was all on Brady.
     
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    So what? Brady's not going to wait for an open guy to get opener, because if he waits, the guy might not be open anymore, or he might get drilled. He's going to throw the ball. The lineman and the CB made a nice play. Almost every short-to-intermediate throw goes over a defender and has a possibility of being knocked down or batted up if the defender times it right.

    To hear a few of you tell it, a QB should never throw the ball unless there's a pristine passing lane and no chance whatsoever of a defender making a nice individual play.
     
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    Something happening twice doesn't usually constitute a trend by any definition of the word. Especially not when the two instances are separated by several months and involve a number of different players.
     
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    it is part of the process for a poor decision on several fronts
    - he tried throwing through a defender
    - also means he was throwing at a target he could not see
     
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    there is no waiting.......on that route, only a decision to throw or not throw at that moment. if not, then look somewhere else, probably for a dumpoff or someone who has broken off their route
     
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    it does when it means screwing the pooch the way it was screwed
     
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