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  1. FredFromDartmouth

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    I know that this is idiotic; the Patriots rarely trade up and it especially does not make sense in this year's draft but let's be a little silly on this one...

    If the Patriots decide to trade up, say ten picks, in the first round, who would they take?

    My vote would be Joe Haden, CB. A shutdown corner frees up an extra guy to blitz; this is how Rex Ryan can get away with it. I know that all you guys have some full-length-fur-coat-wearing, strip-club-attending, prima donna big wide receiver in mind, but a shutdown CB is more valuable. Or a pass rusher for that matter.

    Note: I have to confess that Ty Law had a full-length fur coat....and he is one of my favorite players; the Patriots have never been able to replace his sticky hands in the secondary. Haden would and then some. 8 int's last year I believe.
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    You preface your post with a statement that it is 'idiotic' yet you still find the need to do it?

    You don't have to make a post about every little insignificant thought that passes though your head.
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    This is not idiotic. The Patriots traded up for both Ty Warren and Mayo. I think it worked out well both times and BB would considerate it again under the right circumstances. However, this may not be the year to trade down. There are currently 53 players with first round grades. My bet is that they trade down from their first round spot for additional picks.

    ( I think BB would like a late 2, 3 and 5 for his first round pick at #22 ).
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    Hey, draft speculation is supposed to be fun, if a little dubious in this case.

    It makes little sense to draft up this year when the Patriots have so many holes and it is such a deep draft, but if they did who would they target? Haden instantly gives the Patriots a defense that can send extra guys; it won't happen but it is fun to speculate.
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    The Patriots actually traded down before picking Mayo.
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    :agree::ditto::agree: (unless Spiller is there; or maybe miniSpiller, McClus...)
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    They probably won't be afforded the opportunity to trade down because teams are aware that there is no value in trading up with such a preponderance of similar talent at the end of the 1st. Unless some guy with a high grade slides a bit, I don't see it happening.
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    I don't think McCluster is going to go in the 1st , but he would be great value with the 1st pick of ours in the second, if he's still there. Or if we could acquire a higher 2nd rounder and some for our 1st.
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    I can't see moving up for anyone at this point.....would have been mcclain if not for his medical condition........beyond that, there are guys who will be there in the 2nd round who stand to be just as effective as guys who are picked in the 1st.......
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    God I hope they don't trade down their first rounder. I would NOT be happy. They should just take the guy they like "cough" Jared Odrick "cough" and move on. If there was one pick I wouldn't mind seeing them trade, it would be their original 2nd rounder. For a third and a fourth, I would have no problem with that.
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    i would consider trading up if a couple of player are there that we want...i would trade up for Haden, Dez Bryant, or McClain. I have a feeling McClain will drop to us like Wilfork did.
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    Trade up and get Suh. Our starting DEs are Warren and Wright. After that?

    If Suh drops out of the top 3, go up and get him. I would trade our 1st and 3 2nd round picks for him.
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    Here's my 'idiotic' premise: BB will not trade up in the first round just because of "need," i.e. Dez Bryant, a DE or OLB. He might though if the value was too great to pass up, regardless of the player's position, like say a an Eric Berry falling to #20, or Suh not being taken by #10. So in other words, very unlikely.
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    All we have is opinions, but that is clearly the winner for the most ridiculously flawed theoretical draft plan.

    Ever.
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    How so? Are you ready for Mike Wright to be our starting DE for a whole year? I didn't like how Baltimore ran down our throats and that's what we're going to see against the Jets and Dolphins twice a year with Wright in there starting.

    You might like having a boatload of second round picks, but I prefer quality over quantity.
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    yea, i think he's going to slide too the more i hear people talking about his condition. The big question is would the Pats consider taking him if he's available, or would they think its too big of a risk since the already have Guyton anyway

    I think he's too good to pass on personally, but there would be a lot of risk
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    They also have the raiders pick next year that they could use to swing a deal..
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    This draft is so deep, the Pats can afford to wait. In fact, someone is going to fall into their laps that was supposed to be a top pick.
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    Coughing will not get Odrick to last unitl 22.

    Belichick may have to decide whether to use his 53 to move up to get the man he wants. The list of possibles might include Haden, Bryant, Tate, Odrick, McLain and Spiller.

    Belichick has definitely moved up in the past.

    The issue, as always is value. Many here think that we can simply stay we are and get starters in all of 1st five picks, including a starting TE in the 4th. It is a matter of philosophy, of judgement and of delusion.

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    No Dez for me. He almost certainly has a full-length fur coat. We need guys with names like Bubba or Mosi or ending in -ski.

    Seriously though Dez is a great fantasy pick but not a Patriots sort of guy.

    McCain is a great player but ILB is not priority now. If he fell to 22 well...that would present a dilemma.

    Trading down is the best move this year; gets us away from those overpriced (esp. this year!) first rounders and allows us to pick up more guys. We need bodies; lots of them.
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    the fish. denver and now the bills will be runing the 3-4 and all 3 have all most the same needs as the pats DE and OLB.

    the bills pick #9

    denver #11

    the fish #12


    the pats would have to trade up pretty high. i can see the pats tradeing down but not up


    IMO the pats will stay at #22 and pick the best talent on the bord and that may not be a defensive player it may just be one of the top WR's RB's or G's
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    Since when are second round picks not quality picks?

    If you compare a secondary comprised of a single top ten pick and three UDFAs, or four players picked with our first four draft picks, which is likely to be the better secondary?
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    Our first four picks in this draft certainly qualify as quality picks. We are likely to get red-chip players and future starters with those picks.

    HOWEVER, blue chip players are not the same as red-chip players. This is a great draft. We may or may not get one of these players at 22. We have done so in the past with Wilfork and Mankins. Fo many, a blue-chip player is worth our 22 and 53, perhaps with a 3rd rounder coming back, perhaps not.


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    I know its against the sacred cow to trade up, but I agree if you were to ever try and get up for a blue chipper(Suh!)this is the year! He will get by #1 and Detroit wants to trade down so they will likely give a little on value. We have the pick from the Seymour trade, our #1 and throw in Brace(#2 last year expendable with Vince's signing and Pryor's emergence). The value is there, it is an uncapped year, and it is the position of greatest need.....he can rush the passer. Doing this trade wont blow up our draft either as we will still have the 2nd rounders. I'd do this in a minute, anyone else??
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    The way I look at it is that we need an impact player. Butler and Vollmer looked like they could be solid pros but if you ask me, I'd rather take my chance at getting someone like Suh who could have an impact like Seymour had than get another batch of Chung, Butler, Brace, and Vollmer. PLUS you look at our options at DE and who we have over there, then the prospect of getting someone like Suh becomes more enticing.

    Bottom line is that we need an impact player. We've accumulated some nice players the past two drafts, but we haven't added a difference maker that can push a defense over the top. I think Suh can be that player and I would give up our 4 picks in the first two rounds to get him.
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    BB has traded up when it wasn't too expensive (bot financially and pick-wise) to do so.

    He moved up from 14 to 13 for Warren, giving up a 6th, I believe. He also moved up from 32 to 21 for Graham, giving up a 3rd and 5th - which is a pretty good deal. He's also traded up a number of times in the 2nd round, but I don't believe that he's ever traded a 2nd round pick in order to move up in the draft. He obviously views those as highly valuable.

    So that may be the measuring stick - can we trade up without using one of our 2nd round picks? Given that we don't have a 3rd, we can only expect move up 3 spots or so.

    Having said that, I would actually prefer to trade down and pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick. There are a lot of good prospects and we have a lot of holes on the roster.
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    Interestingly enough, it will be a lot easier to trade up this year because everyone will want to trade down (because of the depth of the draft and the outlandish contacts guys like Rosenputz will demand).

    The only situation that makes sense would be a game changing pass rusher or shutdown corner. WRs you can get later and TEs too.
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    Good posting. The Pats need to walk away from this offseason having added one playermaker on both sides of the ball or it will be another early exit in 2011.

    People love to praise Mayo, but thus far he's just another steady player on defense. Even he admitted last offseason he needed to make more plays, yet his second year was just as unspectacular in the playmaking department.

    To that end, if the Pats trade up for anyone my vote would be Eric Berry. The guy makes plays on D, pure and simple. If he starts sliding to the 8-9 range I'd love to see BB make a power move.
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