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  1. MUFC7

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    What do you think about the idea. Brady has atleast 4 good years in him and next years QB class looks atrocious compared to the last years (the last 2 years have been extremely good) and many teams still need a QB.

    Jacksonville Jaguars
    New York Jets
    Arizona Cardinals
    Kansas City Chiefs

    are in dire need right now with

    Buffalo Bills
    San Diego Chargers
    Oakland Raiders

    needing to develop a QB.

    With so many teams at need for QBs what do you think could we see him leave in the off season? I think a high 2nd rounder could very well seal the deal. Next year is his 3rd year as a Pro and I believe he sees that his chances starting for the Pats is rather slim (as high as Brady getting injured for a long period)
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    I like the idea, but I think you're dreaming if you believe we're going to get a high second rounder for him...
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    Don't see him leaving. He's on a cap friendly contract. We have no immediate need on our team besides WR, maybe OL. But we can take care of that with our current picks. I don't think anyone will give us a 2nd for him but stranger things have happened.
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    Lousy idea ... if Brady goes down then we need him.

    We can keep him around an extra year by throwing money at him now.
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    The idea has merit. Tebow and Cassel should be available next year, so QBs that have worked with McDaniels could be brought in. You can take Kansas City off of your list though. I don't see any way that team's front office can sell another New England QB to the fan base.
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    Sanchez is pretty much available too. lol.
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    The patriots need a backup QB for 2013 and 2014. With Mallett, Belichick was comfortable going without a 3rd QB, gaining a roster spot. If anything, we should consider extending Mallett if that is possible.
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    After what the Eagles got for Kolb I think anything is possible. He was high on many draft boards and fell because of "charakter issues". We need a back up QB of course but the way Brady is playing there simply isn't a QB that really could be his back up. Do you really think a back up could lead this team to a SB? Not that I have anything against Mallett but if we could get a good pick for him I'd seriously consider it.
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    the only way i see this happening is if we are getting a number one receiver in return.

    Mallet for bowe/fitzgerald etc.

    Teams that need a QB but have a stud wr.

    Unless of course McDaniels gets another HC position and he trades a number 1 for mallet.
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    Not that I'm implying lightning strikes twice, but if there is any team's board to NOT say this on, it would be the Pats.
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    To get anything for Mallet he has to play one of these last two games and come in and look like a quality starter. In the preseason and his limited chances this year he hasn't done that. Shiancoe screwed him on that pick against Houston but still.
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    I'm with Deus. This wouldn't normally interest me too much, but the inevitable availability of Cassel makes this awfully intriguing.
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    I don't know who'is running the show in Oakland these days but they gave up like two firsts for Carson Palmer and took Tyrelle Pryor in the 2nd or 3rd round of the Supplemental Draft. Using that logic they may give up two or three firsts for Mallet. If only he had a great 40-time they could probably get even more!
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    Matt Cassel after an 11-5 season wasn't worth a 2nd rounder without Mike Vrabel tossed in.

    Mallett's value is considerably lower, imo. If someone offered a #2 we would probably be silly to not go after it but unless we start putting him in the 3rd quarter of blowouts he won't be getting any playing time and won't have much value. Don't even post another scenario where he might get playing time. I'll fight you.
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    Young backups who want to hang on to that job telegraph lack of drive. They almost never get thrown extra money to keep them around. The Colts did it once with one of Manning's and he got hurt and cut shortly thereafter. Mallett will want to be a UFA to open up his options.
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    Cassel and Hoyer (Tebow is never here as a backup if at all) as he hasn't had a shot anywhere yet and isn't likely to hang around in AZ unless he's promised one - and Wisenhut may not even survive.
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    That was before current management took over. They were stuck with certain options and they have played out the string.
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    Mallett to the Jets ? You have a better chance of the NHLPA and the NHL coming to an agreement on a new CBA (which translates to no chance).
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    He did that with Hoyer out of the gate as a rookie. Meant nothing when push came to shove (finances, roster spot). Rohan Davey was once the #2 here, as was KOC. Meant nothing.

    There is no guarantee Mallett will survive another TC here. Hoyer's RFA tender cost had as much to do with their choice as anything Mallett did. They will have to bring in competition in some form (recycled vet like Hoyer or Cassel) and/or draft or sign an UDFA. If they have a taker for Mallett might as well recoup something, although I doubt they recoup what they invested unless they do a conditional deal. He's not a natural fit for this offense either, although his skillset may appeal to others in a lackluster year for QB's with more than a quarter of the league looking for answers at the position.
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    I listed them as they are in need of QB help and more empty spots mean a greater value for Mallett. I mean with the exception of Smith he is one of the best options available at the position.
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    I agree. Lets not trade Mallet until/unless we can showcase him for maximum value. And I have to say I felt bad fir Mallet as well after the Shianco deflected catch.

    A third is just even return for what we used on him.


    Nice nuance/point from Deus' about Cassel being availabl next year.
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    If Bill is willing to trade a QB within the division it's the kiss of death because it indicates he has no fear whatsoever of the consequences. I think the Jets and Bills are aware of that, as are their fan bases, so they could never sell such a deal. As Deus pointed out the Chief's are in a similar position, and it's FO likely on the way to unemployment office, and to some extent what happened to Cassel (which wasn't exactly his fault) has likely lessened what was already a leery market for Patriot backups.

    The only way Mallett has any trade value above his earlier draft position (late 3rd) is if he gets in the next two games and creates a buzz. And knowing BB's penchant for seeing his football players play 60 minutes of football - something they didn't do this week - don't count on it. He may see a blowout quarter or two if the opportunity arises. But remember, we are still working out some kinks and will be hopefully re-integrating Gronk into the offense and looking to work on some worst case scenarios lest they arise down the road.
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    Haven't people learnt since everyone said Hoyer could fetch a second rounder?!

    Sheesh.

    Won't happen.

    You're talking about the guy they solely entrusted Brady's backup role to. You don't trade that away unless someone else gives you more confidence.
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    Mallett hasn't proven his value for anything at this point.

    I think the Patriots should make a concerted effort to trade for Alex Smith. He'd be a great back-up to Brady for a year or tow and an excellent bridge to the next guy. He might even flourish under a guy like Josh McDaniels
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    I don't understand the thought process posters are having that Mallett is going to be worth a draft pick of significance. There is no body of work. That lack of experience does not equal a #1 WR, or even remotely anything close to a pick that would equal his original draft. As Mo points out, he's not likely going to see any work, with the exception of possible garbage time. Hardly a true test under game circumstances.

    I suspect people are still in love with his college work or his combine workout (which I have no idea of his combine #'s). This guy could likely be Tom's successor, sure. He could also be Giovanni Carmazzi. We have no idea, and trying to put a high value on that unknown seems highly unlikely from my seat.
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    Exactly how would he flourish under Josh McDaniels if he isn't playing? And, I'd take his current coach over Josh any day of the week.
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    Hoyer - UDFA
    Mallett - highly rated 3rd rounder

    Spot the difference. Not to mention the weakness of this years draft class. I mean there might be not even one franchise QB in this draft. Cassel will be available and we know he works in this system.
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