Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by danny88, Apr 1, 2007.
What are our options if we trade down with one of the first rounders.
Now thats a broad question.. I would say there is a lot of options.. I would say about 31 of them..
An early second rounder and third rounder would be nice. Two second rounders?
Believe we will trade #24 for a second this year and another second next year.
More likely use #24 and trade #28.
I wouldn't be shocked if there were a swap of 3rds as well.
There was another thread on this, so I'll copy my response:
Here's a couple of possible scenarios for trading one of our 1st rounders. The underlying motivation for doing this would be to get a high 2008 pick, as we already have too many picks & FA's this year, and BB loves having extra day-1 ammo in every draft:
If we trade down #24, I think it would have to meet the following critieria:
- stay in round 1, so they can sign their guy for 5 years
- get a day-1 2008 pick in return
So for example: trade down to the Bears for their #31 + either their 2008 2nd or 3rd. To get their 2nd rounder, Pats would have to sweeten the deal; to get us to accept their 3rd rounder, the Bears would have to sweeten that deal.
If we trade down from #28, I think it would have to meet this criteria:
- get a 2008 1st rounder
- get a 2007 low 2nd or high 3rd
So for example: trade down to the Bucs, who have both a low 2nd (64) and a high 3rd (68). We trade all the way down from 28 to one of those picks this year, and pick up their 2008 1st, which will probably be in the upper half of the first round.
On the other hand, to move up in round 1, it would only make sense to move up from #24 to around 18-21. Getting to 18 would probably cost us a 3rd, getting to 21 a 4th.
I was wondering whether our 24th would be worth Tampa's two second rounders.
Draft pick value chart says it's pretty close.
I like that move a lot if we were to move down.
I also believe we will trade down one of our 1sts. Maybe #24 if we have 2-3 equally rated guys and we believe one of them will slid to #28 (when we are on the clock at pick 24). That would be fine with me for a second this year PLUS .....(I'll have to think about it and also check the draft point chart).
But I would not be happy to trade down for a 2nd this year plus a 2nd next year for the reason that you don't know what position the 2nd next year will be. It can mean a big difference in value between a high or a low 2nd round pick (and I am not speaking of point value). For a high 2nd round pick, often you can get a 1st rounder that has slipped into the 2nd. (last year it was Chad Jackson among others). However, with a low 2nd round pick , you are definately onto the 2nd tier guys by then (or 1st tier guys with a definate problem (character, injury, etc).
But all in all I like the idea of trading down with one of our firsts UNLESS two of the top 3 Safeties, or CB's or LB's are there at both spots (#24 & 28). I am hoping that there will be a run on positions we are ok with in the first round (ie. WR, OL, DL, etc) keeping the CB's, Safeties and LB's relatively untouched. But that probably is just wishfull thinking. Unfortunately - it doesn't look like there will be a run on other positions we are set at (QB, TE). Not being as informed as others on this board- but is it just me or does the skill positions seem abit weak in this years draft ?? (QB, RB, TE, etc.) It seems only WR has an abundance of first round talent.
For others like myself who crave alittle more info...
Tampa has for 2nd round picks # 35 and #64 (overall) . That is third from top 2nd round (35) and very last pick (64).
I am open to that idea. Only thing that scares me is Bioli is masterful at first round picks but their 2nd round picks have not been up to their usual high standards: Marquise Hill, Bethel Johnson, Adrian Klemm (bad), Chad Jackson (??), E. Wilson, Deion Branch, Matt Light (good). So that is basically only a 50 / 50% success rate in the 2nd round.
Anything's possible, but I don't see them trading down unless the incentive is a day-1 pick in 2008. They don't need any more picks this year.
If we were to trade down from #24 all the way to Tampa's #64, then we'll get their first round pick in 2008. There's a lot of precedent for a deal like that, such as when we traded down a few years ago from 19 to 36, and got Baltimore's #1 the following year.
It all depends on what player is still on the board at #24 that a team below us is lusting for. That year at #19 it was Kyle Boller. If Tampa wants a particular guy bad enough, they'll trade their 2008 #1 for the chance to move up 36 spots into round 1 and get their man.
Another way to look at it is that it's a #1 now for a #1 a year later, and the price TB pays for that is a low 2nd this year when they have a high 3rd right behind it (68).
NE likes it because they have enough picks this year, and will go into next year's draft with a potential top 15 pick in addition to their regular #1. That's how the Pats operate.
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