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    Next year we have 2 1st's, 2 2nd's, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th. With that in mind, and knowing that Koppen's at the end of the trail, we go after Mike Brewster, OSU (he's been called "another Nick Mangold"), and for the sake of argument, we go after Vinny Curry, OLB, Marshall. That takes care of our 2 1st's and 2 2nd round picks. As we did last year, we might be able to bundle our 3rd and 4th round picks for a 2nd next year, might even have to add the 5th round pick in.

    To get a 2nd round pick that we can trade for a 1st in 2013, we need a team with a short window of opportunity to win it all. Last year Minnesota went into the draft needing a QB, OT, S, OG/C, CB and OLB. They drafted a QB, they drafted a OG/C and they drafted a CB.

    I wrote in to the crew at PFW and they all thought that Jarrad Page could replace Brandon Meriweather without any problems. With the development of Patrick Chung, that makes Sanders expendable. So, the way I figure it, we could offer Minnesota any or all of the following players without hurting the team and would free up some of the money that Logan Mankins' tag would cost: Meriweather (next year his agent's going to ask for the moon), Sanders (too much money for a backup), Kaczur (again, too much money for a backup). We could even throw in Butler or Wilhite.

    So, for a 2nd round pick next year, what combination of players would you be willing to trade to Minnesota?
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    Pop quiz: When was the last time 3+ players were traded for a single pick?
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    I got the impression Page is is not at all like Meriweather, more like Chung. He's 225.
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    With about a 48 hour window to formalize their rosters, signing fa's, rookies, udfa's... do you really think that the Pats and Minnesota could pull off something so complicated...

    This is not fantasy football, why would Minnesota give up these players???.. teams are built through the draft, with a sprinkling of fa's, not by giving up a draft pick that you can have for reasonable money for 4 years..
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    Why would Minnesota want to trade with the Patriots after Randy Moss worked out so well for them? You get the feeling the ghosts of Andy Reid MKII Bam Bam Childress is going to haunt Leslie this season.

    Christian Ponder, Tarvaris Jackson and Joe Webb. Good luck winning with that.
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    Well, my estimation of their analysis just took a hit.
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    Year after year, James Sanders comes to play every day. He isn't flashy, but he is very consistent. Yet every offseason, some group of yahoos insists this is the year he will be cut/traded, or that he is making too much money.

    Isn't it obvious by now that BB and the staff value his contributions? If Sanders stays healthy and keeps working hard, I could see him having an OTIS type career. He can serve capably for a long time.
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    We got a receiver from Oakland for a 3rd and a 5th, he stunk and we still trade with Oakland.

    The trade might be tough to pull off but that is a bunch of talent for a 2nd round pick, and Meriweather did go to the Pro Bowl two years in a row. I don't believe Minnesota can make a run filling that many spots with rookies.

    As far as Jarred Page being 225, it concerned me so that's why I wrote to the guys at PFW, and if memory serves me, didn't Page have 3 interceptions in very little playing time? And we always have a kid named Dowling, with Arrington covering the slot. Plus we have the luxury of picking up a couple of UDFA's and letting them sit and learn.

    I guess my big question is: if you were the GM at Minnesota, would you or would you not jump at this trade?
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    I think they will deal meriweather if they can, because of his value to other teams, the likelihood of a nasty contract negotiation and the fact that he doesn't seem to be with the program sometimes and runs into his own temmates trying to make the flashy play.

    Page and Chung together would likely be awful IMO. You heard it here, Rastaman Dowling is the replacement if it happens (and if he pans out, obviously, being a rookie).
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    I've got no clue who Belichick may be targeting or what trade scenarios have been discussed behind the scenes

    Suffice to say Belichick likely has a plan and he has the ammunition he needs to go out and grab a guy if he wants him, assuming the price is right.
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    I'd probably insult anybody who made that offer to me.
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    You're conflating the Doug Gabriel trade (WR, for a 5), with the Derrick Burgess trade (DE, for 3 and a 5).

    Come to think of it . . . why the hell do Al Davis and BB make so many trades? :confused:
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    Thanks CT for setting things straight. When you come to think about we got a reciever that ran routes like a linebacker and a linebacker that hit like a reciever. (Hines Ward excluded)
    I have to admit it, that offer would knock me for a loop but if those guys passed a physical, I'd pull the trigger.
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    You have a dizzying intellect.
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    Why would Minnesota give us a second rounder for a collection of old players and soon-to-be FAs? This makes no sense to me.
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    I'm more interested in why we'd contemplate ripping apart a secondary that is just coming into its own for more young balls on the Patriots. It suggests to me that some people always view the grass greener on the other side.

    Unless the Vikings find a QB, their window has been slammed shut.
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    Clearly Bill Belichick doesn't think Jarrad Page could replace Brandon Meriweather or he would have played more than special teams last year.
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    I'm gratefull for any creative thinking, so: Props. :cool:

    That being said, my perceptions are divergent from yours...

    1 ~ Brewster, you and I agree on. I and others've been pounding the table on him for a LONG time.

    2 ~ I like Curry a GREAT deal, but as others've mentioned, I do not by ANY means take it for granted that our 4 Top 64's automatically convert to those two guys. Coach B is, above all, a Value conscious guy, and isn't given to going All IN.

    3 ~ The notion of Jarrad Page replacing Stomper is RIDICULOUS.

    4 ~ Dumping Stomper and all those usefull players on the Vikings for one 2nd Rounder is not only ridiculous, but produces a classic Lose/Lose scenario: We sacrifice tremendous depth of talent, and the Vikings get a bunch of guys who need to learn the system, and will take a lot of time to do so.

    This isn't baseball, dude.

    5 ~ Eviscerating our Free Safety depth, considering how intensely valuable a commodity that Free Safeties are ~ even Donkeys like Stomper ~ on the ludicrous premise that Jarrad Page, of all people, is ready to step in and take over everything, is perhaps the most GOD awfully bad idea I've heard in AGES.
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    I too am very optimistic in regards to Dowling, but he does have a tendency to become injured. I am certainly not knocking him, but am optimistically cautious at the same time. I believe he has had at least 4 separate injuries in the past year or two. I love the pick, as opposed to another DE/OLB conversion project that would have been the 7th/8th/9th rated at the position, and would have taken significantly more time just to have a chance one way or the other.

    My response in regards to Meriweather, would be the same as I offer to Frick...why not take advantage of his cheaper salary in a contract yr, and still get what we would have anyway via a comp pick??? If there's anyone out there that feels as though Meriweather would net us a 2nd rounder this yr, they are absolutely kidding themselves. I honestly believe we'd be looking at a 3rd rounder, which there is a good chance we will receive anyway when he leaves for FA.

    In the absolute worst case scenario, we lose one round of trade value, as we may only get a 4th in comp value as opposed to the perceived 3rd that we could likely get now. The tradeoff and upside is that we get to have him play here one more yr, which will give guys like Chung, Page (possibly, if he is re-signed this summer), and maybe even Dowling more time to adjust, learn, and relish in the system.

    Page had 2 INT's, and a whopping 12 tackles in 10 games played. I do think that he has great potential to be a decent safety here, and was certainly good enough as a young player at KC.

    I like him in a backup role a lot, and yes he could start in a pinch, but I think that Meriweather should be here another yr. He has a vast knowledge of the system and players, leads the team in turnovers since he got here, and still provides tremendous value under a relatively cheap rookie pact. Not to mention the fact that BB obviously feels as though he is our best option, as he has consistently received a very high amount of playing time.

    The benefits of Meriweather playing here one last season are obvious.

    Let him continue to progress and make big plays from time to time, then he'll leave and we can get the exact same value that we would've gotten from him in a trade (somewhere between a 3rd and 4th), for absolutely nothing via comp pick.

    As much as we all do not care for Meriweather's free-wheeling ways at times, he does show up and make big plays too. His talent level and speed are a little better than people give him credit for, as the opinion that he doesn't deserve a mid-to-high level status as an up and coming safety in the NFL have spread like a virus around here.

    The thing is, if you go back and watch some of the past couple yrs of game highlights, you will consistently see him making some pretty big plays. That said, I do not agree that he should have made the pro-bowl 2 yrs in a row, but that is besides the point.

    Of course, BB may see things differently, so it's one more storyline in a group of many to keep an eye on. Your opinion is certainly valid and respected by me, I am just offering a 'best of both worlds' scenario that should also be considered.
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    I agree with a lot of what you said here, OTG.

    Brewster, Jones, and Konz (if he comes out) will be talked of around here ad nausem for the next 9 months. I'm certainly on board, and feel as though the line will continue to be built up in next yr's draft too. Having been an OSU fan for such a long time, I have seen both Brewster and obviously Mangold too, and there is certainly reason to believe that the young kid can compare in many ways to one of the NFL's best centers--at least at the NCAA stage in their careers. I think the fact that Brewster was a starter since day one coming in as a freshman, and will be a 4 yr starter on a team with incredible depth at just about every position should be noted.

    Metaphors had some real good points in regards to the kid from Georgia too (Jones??), and if Konz comes out, that will be at least 3-4 great possibilities at the position next yr.

    I also agree with the notion that Page is great guy to have as a depth/rotational guy--and that he can obviously start if needed, but the comparisons of Page at 225 (more of a closer to the line bigger safety) to Meriweather's incredible speed and athleticism are indeed off-base in my opinion. Is it just me, or is Page actually probably suited a lot better for a SS role than a FS role? Come to think of it, IS he the backup SS here, while Sanders would be the backup FS to Meriweather? (All interchangable of course, depending on various schemes, but I'm just looking at it straight up in a positional sense) There's also the problem of Page now being a UFA under the 'new' CBA, so while I think it's probable that he's back, another team very well could offer him more money, and he may not even be here. I don't think we should count our chickens that he 'could' be the replacement to Meriweather, when we're not even totally sure that he'll even be retained.

    If I had to pick, I would think that Page will be retained and McGowan will not be. As long as one of them stays (preferably Page), then I'm just fine...

    As our buddy Ausbacker said "why mess with a position of strength??" (paraphrasing)
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