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    Everything we used to say about the Colts in the early part of this decade is now being said about us.

    Not just talking about the losses to the Colts and the Super Bowl. But, how often do we feel safe when we have a small lead late in the game. I think we all sweat it.
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    until TFB chokes in the playoffs on a continuous basis... this is an outrageous accusation.
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    all that matters is the PLAYOFFS.
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    I wish I could argue with you, but it does seem like in tight games the O or D does often let them down - especially against quality opponents. Anyhoo, I used to feel more confident in tight games, not that that's worth much. Actually I used to feel like any game the Pats were winning was a "W". No more. Maybe next year we'll feel like that again.

    I'm babbling.
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    We just lost a tight close game where we went toe to toe with the best team in the NFL. Colts were favored by 3 and won by 1. Patriots outplayed the Colts. If you think the Patriots are chokers, you can jump off the band wagon.
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    I feel the Pats did choke this one away and that there's no way this team lost this game 5 years ago.
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    Exactly what I mean, I remember we used to be unbeatable with a second half lead, even when we had banged-up defenses. Lately I haven't even wanted to watch the last few drives in a game when its tight. And you can almost predict how these games are going to end. Like, I knew Tommy was going to throw a pick in the second half on a deep pass that he maybe shouldn't have thrown because I've seen him do it so many time before. Worst part is that it always seems to be on first downs.
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    Defensive playmakers always used to bail them out. Now, with no playmakers on D, it's all on Brady. BB put it on him to win the game and he and Faulk couldn't make the play.
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    Bill you really should have punted the ball instead. ( just a PUN on ur name)


    Indy the best??? No. Cincy/Chargers/Patriots are better imo

    we really screwed up tonight..... It was our game to lose and we did just that.
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    And why was this a tight close game because we "choked" away a once-insurmountable lead. We didn't go toe-to-toe, we were beating them up and down the field for 46 minutes, but we couldn't put an end to them.

    This game should have ended with us winning by at least 10 points, at least that's how it used to be.
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    Why do you think that is? Poor play calling? Poor decisions made by Brady? Not having faith in the new guys on the team? It has been bothering me as well that when it comes down to these situations we cannot pull the win or the 1st down or the TD when needed. One will never know what BB thinks and I still have all the respect in the world for him. Just wondering why this seems to happen.
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    it is 4AM.... I am still jacked up on adrenaline/ caffeine. I cannot sleep. :(
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    Ironically those are probably the two most trustworthy guys on the team.
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    We should have all been sleeping like babies. Next Sunday.
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    That stinks. It's 5 PM here. It's been a long ******* day.
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    long long night for me too...bad loss...
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    and i'm still procrastinating on this paper... 0pg's of 3-5



    all I can think about is that damn game!!!!!

    I gotta get this done..... have a "good morning". I know I will not. I'll be getting **** all day about the CHOKE.

    paper is due anytime today.... Time to start it.


    I'm out.... It will really piss me off if we lose more players to "Random" injuries because of this game. :mad:
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    I think its just the little things, the things we never did before: penalties, red zone turnovers, not making critical third and fourth and shorts and in the two previous losses to the Colts, dropped passes. In this game, several things could have changed the outcome.

    I really feel bad for Maroney because he seemed to be having a decent game until that fumble. He had been on a good stretch the past few weeks.

    Anyone else feel that Adalius is useless and has basically worn out his welcome here? I tend to have more faith in TBC and Ninkovich getting pressure on the QB than him.

    If anything Belichick learns from this game because you know one feels worse about this loss than he does. All the criticism he hears this week has got to fire him up.
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    Half 9 in the morning here and I haven't even got close to sleeping. Going to take a while to get that loss out of my head.
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    "Become" chokers? This team has always been this way, even when they were winning super bowls. They can never close anybody good out. Sure, they can beat scrubs 56-10 and 59-0, but put them against a good team and no lead is safe.

    SB36 - Rams score 14 points in the blink of an eye
    SB38 - Blew a 21-10 lead
    SB39 - A 24-14 game became 24-21, luckily McNabb was puking

    Just once I'd like to see them beat a top tier team easily.
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    Is it possible that this is simply variance? Is it possible that in today's (capped) NFL you simply won't have a team that can be "clutch" for 10+ years? Does "clutch" even really exist?

    The Patriots lost close games, lost leads, etc in the SuperBowl years. The difference is that they managed to come out on top in the playoffs. What has happened since 04' may simply just be due to variance. I mean, what other teams have we seen that have been able to always get the "clutch" play for 5+ years? None.

    Indy has been the best team in the league (w/ Pats too) for the last decade. They have won the most games, the have had amazing come from behind wins, yet, in the end, they have only won 1 Superbowl and have had a ton of early exits from the playoffs. The Steelers are the only other team with anywhere near the success this decade (2 SB wins) and they have had plenty of moments of chocking (like losing to NE in the '01, or losing the season series to CIN...). The '01 Rams were similar to the '07 Pats and they chocked in the Superbowl.

    People, no team will EVER be overwhelmingly "clutch" in a capped NFL. We have still had more overall success than any team this decade. Luck will always play a part in games. We had luck on our sides for the overwhelming part of 8 years, we just didn't have it today.

    I think Pats fans have just become a bit too demanding. They are still a dominant team and can still win the SuperBowl, they just need to work hard and have a little luck. Just look at what happened to the Colt's defense in '06; it can happen.
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    Its called not having a RB we trust. Instead, we're stuck with Laurence Maroney. And he'd already cost us 7pts earlier in the night. A team with a strong RB milks that time away, probably gains those 2yds on 3rd and 4th down the hard way, the old fashioned way, the way this team used to do before we became completely enamored with the pass. The Superbowl winning teams, with Smith and Dillon shouldering the load in critical times, would have gained that last 2 yds on a single dive play on 3rd down, and that 4th down would NEVER have been a thought. These Patriots teams now cant gain 2 yards in a critical spot BY PASSING to save their lives. Sucks.
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    I'll say it again. What has happened since '04 is that we drafted Laurence Maroney to rely on as the workhorse of our running attack, and the RB in critical situations like last night is the key. He's completely unreliable. We shouldnt even have to ASK Kevin Faulk to do what he was told to do last night. Those yards should have been gained ON THE GROUND by a RB with some stones. We didnt have a RB like that last night. And we lost.
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    The reason we didn't have a workhorse RB last night was because they are injured. We have 2 good power RBs in Morris and Taylor. With either of them active, we win this game easy.
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    I realize that, but a, theyre both old. and b, theyre both hurt. C, our third option was Laurence Maroney, and he's just not good enough. Which is why a and b suck even that much more. hopefully a and b dont reoccur in the playoffs, or I'll be reminding people of C again.
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    How many teams in this league can still have a dominant running game with their top 2 backs injured? Not many. Out of those teams, how many have a prolific passing game? None.
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    You missed my original point, which was that we drafted the wrong RB. We shouldnt be leaning on any 34 year old RBs as our "top 2 backs". How many great teams, teams winning Superbowl titles, have 34 year olds as their "top 2 backs"?? Maroney should be our top back. He's 24. He simply isnt. We had the guy playing last night who SHOULD be this team's top back. He's not. Morris is always hurt. Expecting Taylor to come back and shoulder the load off of a FOOT injury of all things is tough sledding. I hope Im wrong there, but Im not holding my breath.
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    Yeah, I tend to agree. Although I am incredibly proud to follow a team that goes about it the way the Patriots do, we have become chokers and those clutch plays that defined the earlier part of this decade are gone.
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    I never looked at it that way. :eek:
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