PonyExpress
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the taildragger said:guys, I think we're having two separate discussions...
this thread is about CLUTCH athletes...if you're going to claim Russell was way more clutch than Brady then please make the case.
this is NOT a comparison of team accomplishments.
I was the only one in this thread who brought up SPECIFIC CLUTCH SITUATIONS IN WHICH RUSSELL SHINED.
IMO, russell and brady are ABSOLUTELY on par in terms of their ability in the clutch.
Pony, I couldn't disagree with you more about Montana having a better deep ball than Brady -- Please factor into the analysis that Tom has had midget receivers and, other than 2004, has not had a legit play action threat. Montana struggled not only with the deep pass, but the 20-30 yard darts in zone coverage (which he was rarely asked to throw but had Clark, Jones, Rice, Taylor and Craig to help out when necessary)...Brady makes every pass look effortless...there is no comparison in my opinion.
My point on stats was not that brady will ever catch manning, but that stats are the product of systems, you can't use them to compare QBs unless both QBs play with the same personnel and scheme...you have to use your eyes. When I see manning and brady play against quality defense it becomes obvious who the better QB is.
Marino was hardly a dumb player, he was however an EGOMANIAC who cared less about winning than showing off -- his biggest problem was coachability -- even Shula, at an advanced point in his career, couldn't rein him in. As tough as he was on the field on teammates, he was the most loved and respected guy on his team. He just needed a coach with an iron fist...stylistically brady has way more in common with marino than montana...but the intangibles are more in line with montana -- so we get the best of both worlds.
Russell was the single most important player on the floor while winning 11 out of 13 titles. Obviously your love of Brady has exceeded your ability to reason... and I'm not saying that is a flaw necessarily...