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    Said its not a sure thing that Moss is back this year since hes due six plus million. Felger said it doesnt matter since there is no cap, Curran says he's hearing the Krafts may not pay that since they need to fill their "slush fund" in case their is no football in 2011. Also said that Pees wanted a better situation. If this is true its not encouraging, but goes along with my thinking that they would pull the pre-strike bruins aproach of CBA uncertainty as a reason not to spend. Remember Patriots Place did not come cheap, and JK himself saying you cant be competitive every year (change of tune from years past), this may be a frustrating 2 years for us.

    Now cue the Curran is a hack who was wrong about brady so he's wrong about everything posts.
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    Does Curran know that the networks still have to pay even if there's no football in 2011?
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    Anyway, I'm not surprised that Pees wanted "a better situation" a.k.a. he wants to actually run a defense. As long as Belichick is the coach no Defensive Coordinator will actually run a defense. They will implement BB's plan and I'm sure offer input here and there.

    That's why young coordinators are probably a better fit for us. They can learn under BB and then move on. We will never have a DC who is just going to be able to come in and take over the defense, so that probably turns off a lot of the more established guys in the business.
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    Why? The Pats won three SB's with a DC that was close in age to BB. That logic makes no sense.
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    I'm curious what the "better situation" for Pees might be? Not sure Pees has the right defensive play calling rhythm to be a top DC.
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    I think that this offseason hinges on Wilfork. If we franchise him and can't come to terms with him, we'll be forced to trade him. If this happens we'll get a first round pick and our defense will take a huge step backwards.

    If this happens we probably should trade Randy, for two reasons. 1. We will need to rebuild and what he gives us won't push us over the top. 2. We will need to become more of a ball control offense so that the defense spends less time on the field.
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    Curran used the example "champ bailey or wilhite"
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    Moss is dependent on what happens to brady. With the tradition of player reps getting booted i see matt light gone. That leaves brady and if Arizona calls i can see a 1st,bolden,leinhart and 3rd for brady happening as he will be in the NFC .
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    Curran and Felger don't know anything more than the rest of us. I can almost guarantee Moss will be back next year. You don't have to be in the know, you just need common sense.

    Yea that's not going to happen, WTF. Brady is the GOAT, he's not being traded.
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    Maybe I should have been clearer.

    What I mean is Bill Belichick really runs that defense, we can agree on that right? So therefore any DC that comes in is going to have to come to terms with that and just deal with it. That's a lot easier for a younger guy to do because to them, a chance to learn and coach under Belichick is the opportunity of a lifetime. For a more established guy, who has his own idea for how a defense should be run, would have a harder time dealing with our system.
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    What is ridiculous is that a comment such as 'Curran is hearing' what the organization plans to do is taken seriously.
    There is absolutely no way that anyone in the organization would be sharing inside plans with Curran or anyone who he could hear it from.
    For years, fans have taken this supposed 'inside info' from Foxborough serioulsy and it has always turned out to be speculation.
    Curran is probably 'hearing' it from his reporter buddies who are speculating what they think will happen, with no basis.

    This information could be right or wrong as it is just an uninformed guess, but the fact that Curran spewed it makes it no more likely to happen.
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    I'm not convinced on the player reps conspiracy theory. Correlation does not imply causation.

    Remember that:
    1) Most player reps are older veterans.
    2) Old veterans often stop being good value compared to the size of their contract.
    3) Bill has always been pro-active in keeping the roster churning over in order to refresh the talent and maintain the value from Player 1 to Player 53.
    4) Bill has rarely been sentimental over keeping a player on the team. Just look at Tedy Bruschi. The only exception I can really think of is Troy Brown.


    I think this is why player reps haven't always lasted long. Vrabel was done. Adalius Thomas is on his way out. Matt Light won't last much longer. It's the way it goes.

    List of player reps
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    I agree that this is nothing but speculation at this point.

    My guess would be that virtually no hard and fast decisions of any consequence will be made until the labor/slary cap situation is clarified for at least 2010.
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    Curran and his Patriots Place logic is BS. No, Patriots Place didn't come cheap. But it is generating its own revenue. That revenue will be unaffected by a lockout or anything that happens to football. In fact, since they don't have to close the theater and some of the stores 10-12 days out of the year for games, it might increase their revenues since they probably have overages incomes on rents (in other words, if a tenant does over a certain amount of revenue each year, the Krafts get a percentage of that revenue) with is common with most retail leases in shopping plazas.

    The fact of the matter is based on Miguel's numbers, the Pats are committed to $63.3 million in real dollars. According to USA Today, the least amount in payroll over the last five years the Pats committed to salaries has been $94.4 million (Jonathan Kraft has said that USA Today's numbers are too low of an estimates). That means the Pats would have to spend $31 million to match their lowest payroll since 2004. They would have to spend about $54 million to match their highest payroll.

    Also, as pointed out, even in a lockout, the Patriots will receive all of their TV revenue in a lockout (although the league will have to credit the networks, ESPN, and DirecTV free games in the future).

    Patriot Place is something like 80% full. So how much of the New England Patriots revenue is going to pay the mortgage for Patriots Place each year? At most $1-2 million (and that is probably a way, way overestimate). So the Krafts are going to cut their payroll for players $20-30 million because he is concerned that he is going to have to shell out $1-2 million in 2011 on mortgage? Doesn't make sense. If a lockout last more than a year, Kraft has far more concerns than how to pay his mortgage on Patriots Place.

    Beside, I wouldn't be surprised if Kraft has insurance on a work stoppage in the NFL. Players take out insurance for if they get injured, I would assume owners do the same for a number of reasons.

    Seriously, Tom Curran is showing why he is a sports writer with the Patriot Place argument. It doesn't make sense. Ordway and DeOssie (both actual business owners) on The Big Show has already blown the Patriots Place argument out of the water. I am surprised Curran is still running with it.
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    What is your example showing of BB's sentimentality towards LeKevin Smith? Are you kidding? News to me.

    BB thought Seau had value in areas. Does he love the guy? Of course.
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    You said BB wanted a strong roster from 1-53? LeKevin was on the team for what like two three years and barely saw any playing time. If that's not keeping him on the team for sentimental reasons, I don't know what is.
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    I agree. It's been proven time and time again that there are no "Patriots insiders" in the media. I watched this last night and it's pure speculation. As was written earlier in this post, no one outside of BB/Caserio and Jonathan/Robert Kraft know what their immediate and long term plans are. It was comical wathcing Curran and Felger disagree and scream at each other.
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    Would be very surprised if the Krafts took the complacency route, their whole personna is based on long frustrated fans.. so none of this makes sense..

    If Randy leaves it will not be due to fiscal issues, but performance issues..
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    How would that be for sentimental reasons? Le Kevin was a decent player who fit the 3-4 nicely. He saw a lot of increased playing time in 2008. I just don't know where you're coming from with that comment. Besides, he was TRADED this preseason. When you're behind the likes of Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Jarvis Green, and Mike Wright, it's going to be hard to see consistent playing time. He was a sixth defensive lineman, and with Pryor and Brace in the fold this year, there was just too much of a logjam to keep him, and the Pats got the most value they could for him.

    I wouldn't say Seau was for sentimental reasons either, considering the role he has played each year he's been here. 2006, starter. 2007, starter. 2008, he came in at the end because of injuries. 2009, came in for veteran leadership and as the top backup at inside linebacker. Considering the amount of time he played against the Ravens, it wouldn't make sense that he was just here for sentimental reasons.

    I think Troy Brown, as Nonentity said, was the only player kept here for sentimental reasons. If Testaverde had made the '07 roster, then maybe. But Troy is the only one I can really think of.
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    Personally, it looks like the Pats had been gearing to rebuild over the next few years. They are well below the projected cap (assuming there might be one) and their actual payroll is way lower than it has been in years. I actually expect the opposite and the Pats to be agressive since there will be few teams that will be agressive.

    Although few, if any, media people have any insight to what the Pats will do. I tend to agree with Mike Lombardi that since the Pats have one of the lowest actual payrolls in the league that they will be one of the players in free agency.

    I still like Curran, but his sources within the organization has been dried up. He also shows his lack of business knowledge.
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    Michael Holley's inside knowledge has demonstrated time and again that there are, indeed, "Curran is hearing" moments.
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    Maybe he got the info from one of Brady's doctors or the hospital where he had the surgery. Or better yet, maybe it was the sales clerk at Aeropostale (I hear she is, "wicked shahp.").

    Oh, Tom.
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    I do not believe there has been even a single personnel decision since 2000 made for sentimental reasons.
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    I do believe that many owners will spend less in 2010. There is no salary minimum. Uncertainly about 2011 will reduce the number of long-term contracts. They will not pay for many benefits to current players such as pension and 401K's.

    That being said, Kraft is in better shaps than most. First, TV money will still be paid. Kraft has many sources of income other than direct monies from the team. He also will not have to pay revenue sharing monies to other teams.
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    WITH REGARD TO MOSS

    Curran is just speculating. Why shouldn't he do so? There isn't much else to do with reagrd to the patriots at the moment.

    In the end, the question may be whether to pay Moss $6M or pay another receiver $6M as part of a deal that is part of a longer term deal, with contingencies for a 2011 lockout or strike.

    For me, the question is whether Moss is part of the 2011-2014 patriots.
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    what curran means by "sources" is, he read it here.
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    Your reasoning is laughable.

    LeKevin Smith was the 206th player picked. He played in 08, had 13 tackles and 9 QB pressures

    It's not like BB was waiting for a #1 pick with a big salary to finally break through and produce.

    Brown maybe. But BB had him inactive for most of 07. Not like he ran him out there instead of Welker and Gaffney.
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    The number of players re-signed is a function of both the players and the front office.

    We will see who is right in the month after March 4th, when we see how much the patriots are willing to spend in free agency.

    For example, if Bodden is re-signed for $7M a year, we find out that the patriots and Bodden find this acceptable. If on March 7th, we sign someone else instead of the same contract, then we find out that the patriots are willing to spend monies in free agency. It is only if the patriots sign O'Neal and Webster type replacements fro Bodden do we know that the patriots are not willing to spend (at least on the corner position).

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