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Tom Brady's 2nd best year was LAST YEAR!

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  1. JR4

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    If you look at stats as a measurement.

    Just got into an argument with someone saying PATs should trade Brady
    because he so bad last year.
    I thought he did pretty well but had to look up stats.

    4,398 yds ( 2nd career best)
    28 TDs ( only 50td year was better )
    Int/TD ratio .46 ( 2nd career best)
    Completion % = 65.7 ( 2nd career best)


    And this is coming back from a bad injury. :eek:

    Who wants to trade Tom? :confused::confused::confused:
     
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    some people just dont know what they have until it is gone
     
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    stat wise, he had a good year. In terms of decision making, not so good. With that said, i would not want to see him leave, and i believe he'll be fine this year.
     
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    Numbers only tell part of the story, did he get things done when we most needed him to?

    If you want to go just by numbers than Brady isn't a fraction as good as Manning, if you want to go by the post-season then you must judge Brady by how he played against the Ravens, which was bad. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either we go by stats or we go by simply being able to get it done at the critical time.

    Brady's only real "magic" last year was at the end of the first game against the Bills, that was TFB, the rest of the season there were moments of TFB surrounded by a ton of mediocrity with some downright bad play.

    Early in his career Brady didn't have amazing stats but 'he just won games', give me a QB that passes for 179 yds, 1 TD, 0 int and gets the job done without critical mistakes rather than one who passes for 353 yds, 3TD, 3 INT and comes up short at the critical time.
     
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    Mind posting the numbers you used to determine that Tom Brady isn't a fraction as good as Manning?

    Because when I look at the numbers at NFL.COM I see Brady and Manning to be very, very close statistically. Manning has a slight edge, but very slight. And Brady's TD to INT ratio is far better than Mannings the way I compute it.

    I am missing your point. Brady is bad because he lost to the Ravens in post season? If you look at Brady's post-season body of work, and Manning's post-season body of work, the comparison should be pretty clear. Yeah, both Brady and Manning lost the last post-season games. So that makes them bad QBs?
     
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    It doesn't make them bad QBs but you cannot cherry pick which criteria you want to use on a given day of the week to make yourself feel better about a QB.

    Ask yourself this, if you had to pick Brady to win a football game for you which Brady would you pick aside from 07 (when he was at his best) and 08 (he didn't play)? I sure wouldn't have chosen 09 Brady, I don't understand why there's a desire to convince oneself that things are other than what they are, he didn't have a #2 of his career season. He even said himself that he fell well short of his expectations.

    His numbers average out to 3,084 yds/season as opposed to Manning's 4,177yds/season, even if you want to discount 2000 and 2008 he's at 3,855 yds/season, but I can also make the argument that Manning didn't get himself injured and was good enough to start his rookie year. Manning also has a higher career completion percentage and more yards per completion.

    Does this mean I think Manning is automatically a better QB? NO, because I think stats only tell you part of the story, I'd take Joe Montana with his ok stats any day over Dan Marino with his monster stats.

    The truth is that many people here are simply drinking Kool-Aid to make themselves feel better, you can cherry pick which standard you want to judge a player by but you cannot simply switch criteria when it suits you and remain consistent.
     
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    This is what people don't want to hear or face. Like it or not, all good things come to an end.
     
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    Brady is as good as or better than Manning in just about every efficiency stat out there, with indoor/outdoor variance adjusted for. The only reason why Manning has superior bulk stats is because he's played significantly more games and he almost never plays outdoors in crappy weather.
     
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    Trading him is a stupid idea. He is still unquestionably one of the elite of elite NFL QBs, if not the best.

    That doesn't mean last year was his 2nd best year. He put up his 2nd best stats which says more about how the team's offensive philosophy has changed since Moss and Welker came on board in 2007. I'm not saying he was bad or the problem but he wasn't the same clutch player and flawless decision maker in big spots he was in other years. FWIW, I'd take all 5 of Brady's years 2003-2007 over 2009 even though 4 of them aren't as statistically impressive.
     
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    gotta love it when reality smacks the naysayers in the grill.:cool:
     
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    My previous posts about Brady were too get his butt back to Foxboro. That being said his last year stats were incredible considering
    1. no legitimate 3rd reciever. (Makes your options limited, shortens the field)
    2. offensive game plans were vanilla to say the least ( defense knows where ball is going)
    3. 1st half of season he had to lack full concentration because of knee
    4. offensive line was horrible at times (3 rushers were getting in on our 5 man front)
    considering he did a awesome job
     
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    Stats can be misleading.

    There were a number of critical plays that weren't converted last season... Brady makes many of those in past seasons, but not last season. Given that I wouldn't say it was his 2nd best season ever. Were those mental lapses? Skill lapses? Or is it just the way that funny ball bounces.

    I'd attribute those unmade plays to aspects other than Brady - he deserves some blame but so do others, and there's no doubt the lack of increased lockerroom leadership plays a part too.

    Bottom line - anyone who thinks Brady is washed up should pay strong attention to stats just as these. While no one would say last season was the Patriot's second best, if they think Brady wasn't performing very well last year they just don' know what they are talking about.
     
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    I don't.

    We pass too much.
     
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    I swear, all this negative Brady talk, somebody give me a baseball bat!
     
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    Brady had an excellent year statistically and I would not want to go into a season with any other quarterback. However, he made some mistakes last year that were completely uncharacteristic of him. He, at times, tried to fit the ball into double coverage and make a couple of boneheaded plays in the red zone which resulted in interceptions (the Bucs game is a good example). How much of this had to do with having a year off, coming back from/being injured, and the lack of a viable receiving option outside of Welker and Moss, we'll find out. I have a feeling we'll be seeing an even more improved Brady this year, though.
     
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    Brady had a very nice year but so did a lot of other Quarterbacks this year, seems like it gets easier to pass every year with any rule changes. Was ridiculous how many QBs had 90+ QB Ratings.
     
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    2004 Brady >>>> 2009 Brady esp taking postseason into consideration.
    I could care less about stats. Last year was not a great year for #12 and it's not necessarily his fault. But let's be honest in the biggest game, he had maybe the worst game of his career. I expect a much better season this year with one season of action under his belt, whether the numbers show it or not.
     
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    Tom Brady probably looks at rings as a unit of measurement. And by that measure, last year was probably his fifth best season.
     
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    yes if you look at the stats as a whole they look realy good but brady, was kinda inconsistent. a few great games vs bad teams. and some all right and bad games vs good and ok teams.


    but i would not trade him for any one. but i would like for the pats to not throw the ball so much. and add a FB into the mix with some power running. that would hurt bradys stats but IMO would help the defense. and the team as a whole. a lot more.
     
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    Brady's biggest problem last season: no run support. No QB can have success without a decent running game. How many second half losses could have been avoided if the Patriots could have run the ball effectively in the second half. At least two, the Bronco game and the one in Miami where we gave up leads in the second half. Getting a big strong running back should be a priority in the draft. The Patriots should be able to land a good one in the second round.
     
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