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  1. crypto

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    I was actually posting this into another post of mine, but it deserves its own thread.

    Everyone who is whining about (one of the) greatest quarterback(s) of all time, you have two options:

    1. LAY THE F*CK OFF TOM BRADY.

    2. Become a star quarterback in your cute two-hand-touch pickup games. Then buy a handgun and shoot yourself in the knee. Wait a year. Then, LAY THE F*CK OFF TOM BRADY.

    The guy suffered an often career-ending injury. In the five games since then, he has amassed these statistics:

    127 completions in 207 attempts.
    1st in the NFL in completions.
    61.4% of pass attempts are completed.
    41.4 attempts per game.
    1st in the NFL in attempts.

    1,344 yards passing.
    268.8 yards passing per game.
    3rd in the NFL in total yards passing.

    6 touchdowns.
    2 interceptions.
    0 interceptions in the past three games.
    3rd fewest interceptions thrown in the NFL.

    85.9 passer rating.

    3 wins.
    2 losses.

    The passer rating is exactly the same as it was in 2003. For the historically challenged, New England won the Super Bowl in 2003. Brady was not a liability on that roster, despite his unglamorous numbers.

    I'll leave it to you to compare to Brady's first five games of 2003 and Manning's first five games of 2008.

    Actually, no, I'm posting Manning's stats (2008, games 1-5) here. I can't find the completion percentage or passer rating. But:

    8 touchdowns.
    5 interceptions.
    3 wins.
    2 losses.

    Hot damn, look at all those interceptions. Peyton sucked, sucks, and always will suck.

    Wait, no. That can't be right. Didn't he get some fancy award that year, like Most Valuable Player in the NFL or something? Meh. Who cares.
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  2. Sean Pa Patriot

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    Hey I love tom brady, who is the best qb this franchise has ever seen.. However his coaching staff hurt him, his gm/ coach has hurt him, and he threw a few bad passes today, but he is still the man...
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    bhahahahahaha


    you are gonna calm these people down?

    LOL good luck

    i still remember after the jets loss in 06 people saying Brady should be benched because he is washed up.
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    Great post. Too bad the "I need satisfaction NOW OR I'M GONNA BITE MY PILLOW" crowd will remain just a pick or two away in the next game from calling for Hoyer.
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    I don't care what the stats say - my eyes tell me Brady is an average NFL QB right now. I expect that to change (for the better) but RIGHT NOW he's not that good.
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    What concerns me and other fans is the throws that TB isnt making. No one was within 5 yards of Moss in the endzone and the Welker one he threw it like he was being rushed and no one was even close to him. Yes we all understand what Manning did last year, its just frustrating for fans to see because all they have in their minds is the 07 Brady. Lets give Brady till after the bye week and then if hes still making bad throws like this, then fans have a right to complain.
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    Statistics do not lie. Of course he isn't as good as he was in 04 or 07, but he deserves MUCH more credit than people on these boards are giving him.

    Then they need to be checked for Alzheimer's. All I have in my mind is the 01–09 Brady, who tends to start slow, more often than not has good but not glamorous stats, and who kicks serious butt in the second half of the season.

    I also have in my mind the fact that the Patriots' offense wasn't really a force of nature after week 10 or so of 2007. Once the rest of the league came to its senses, pass-pass-pass wasn't a piece-of-cake formula for success.

    And, again, Brady isn't going to come out of such a huge injury and perform miracles in week 5.
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    Brady is having the same kind of year that he had during the super bowl winning years. Not very sexy, but got it done. This team, though, is good and is likely to get very good. 12-4 and winning the superbowl. Fire it up in December all the way into February 2010.
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    Sure they do. And they're easily misinterpreted. Do you think Brady is a better than average NFL QB RIGHT NOW ?
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    some people need to chill after a loss. I don't think anyone was worried after how he played against the ravens and the falcons. Besides, Denver has always given Brady trouble (1-6 career against them).
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    I think on the screen passes and inside 10 yards he is as good and accurate as he has always been. Its the passes longer than 10 - 15 yards that he has stuggled compared to pre-injury.
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    Statistics do not lie. Statistics are often misinterpreted.

    Yes, without hesitation.
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    Sean, you know I love you buddy but your negativity tonight is killing me. I understand being frustrated after a loss, but you're taking it to another level.

    The combined record of the teams the've lost to is 8-1. They lost to a team with the NFL's 4th ranked defense - and lost to a Broncos team that is second in the league defensively.

    In other words - these aren't bad teams, and this is also a team that is still in transition both offensively and defensively. Yet they've still been in each of the two games they've lost right up until the end. Granted it's frustrated to lose - but to act like the sky is falling in week 5 is a bit much. You're better than that.

    Did they have their chances to win today? Absolutely. But as I said in another thread they didn't lose to the Browns or Raiders today. This is a good football team that you're going to see in January.

    It's O.K. to disagree with me, however, please do me a favor and re-evaluate each thread you start, and pretend that those in the media are reading what you write. You're a smart guy, and I think some of those threads may make you re-think what you post. Because you've gone a bit over the edge tonight with some of your them, and the board will be full of them in the coming days so if you can help us maintain an environment of insightful and analytical discussion that would be most helpful.
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    This thread is a bit precious isn't it. I'm sensitive to where the Patriots are at as a team and where TB12 is in his comeback, but the sheer fact is he is not immune from criticism and has played worse than better in the combined 5 games.
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    Tom Brady may not be 100%. But Tom Brady at 75% is still better that 90% of the QBs in the NFL.
  16. Ian

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    Exactly. I'd rather have a guy who overthrows receivers than a guy who turns it over and consistantly throws interceptions and puts his teams in bad positions. He's no where near that level yet - and as I've said I think he'll certainly improve once he gets his feet back under him.

    He's 3rd in the league in passing and he's thrown fewer picks than 22 other quarterbacks. Needless to say I don't think he's that bad at this point.
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    With all due respect, I think this is just wrong. From week 11 on we put up 56 points against the Bills, 31 against a pretty good (Top 10) Eagles defense, 27 on the Ravens (in Balt), 34 against the #1 defense in the league (Steelers), ONLY 20 against the Jets in a game with ridiculous winds, 28 against Miami (we did that in one half and then just cruised to a W), 38 against the Giants.

    Then in the playoffs we faced 2 tough defensive teams (Jac and SD) and put up 31 and 21 respectively and had 1 bad game in the SB.

    How could you call that "not a force of nature" when we were averaging exactly 30 points per game, while playing 5 games against top 10 defenses and another 2 against a defense that gives us problems (Giants), not to mention the fact that it was during a playoff race (for other teams) and every team was trying to be the one to prevent our undefeated season. In the last 8 years, do you know how many teams have averaged 30+ points in a season? Just 5 (2006 chargers, 2004 Colts, 2003/4 Chiefs, and 2001 Rams) other than the Pats in 07. Averaging 30 points a game at the end of the season and playoffs while facing tough defenses is unheard of.
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  18. Sean Pa Patriot

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    How is me saying I love Tom Brady being negative??, I know some other threads Ive been a little negative ,but you know its frustration.. Will tone down, but this one was not that negative..
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    I agree, Brady hasnt been losing games for us. He just hasnt been winning them for us like we have been used to seeing. He will get back to the usual Tom Brady, just give it till after the bye.
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    I stand corrected. I still think the gist of my argument is valid. As for the playoffs, the San Diego game wasn't spectacular. Good enough, but not great. I'm not talking about which games were bad. I'm talking about which ones simply weren't great.

    When criticism comes in the form of "Brady will never be the same," he sure as all hell is immune to it.

    Week 1: We narrowly beat Buffalo. People worship Brady's last five minutes of play.
    Week 2: We lose to the Jets. People flip out about Brady.
    Week 3: We kill the Falcons. People calmly applaud Brady's improvement.
    Week 4: We beat the Ravens. Reactions vary. Some people think Brady is the best thing since sliced bread.
    Week 5: We lose to (ostensibly) the best defense in the league. The sky is falling.

    BelichickFan, please name fifteen of the players listed below who you would take instead of Brady based on current play.

    Peyton Manning
    Tony Romo
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Eli Manning
    JaMarcus Russell
    Matt Ryan
    Mark Sanchez
    Drew Brees
    Joe Flacco
    Kyle Orton
    Brett Favre
    Aaron Rodgers
    Matt Schaub
    Kevin Kolb
    Donovan McNabb
    Seneca Wallace
    Jay Cutler
    Shaun Hill
    Philip Rivers
    David Garrard
    Matt Cassel
    Kurt Warner
    Jason Campbell
    Trent Edwards
    Chad Pennington
    Carson Palmer
    Byron Leftwich
    Chad Pennington
    Marc Bulger
    Kerry Collins
    Matthew Stafford
    Brady Quinn
    Jake Delhomme
    Derek Anderson
    Michael Vick (lololol)
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