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    In honor of Tom Brady playing against the team he was a big fan of as a child and one of San Francisco's biggest hometown fans going into the 2000 draft with a chance of the 49ers to draft him anytime before round 6...SF goes Giovanni Carmazzi in round 3

    Lets see how the two compare in careers....

    TOM BRADY

    3,716 PASS COMPLETIONS
    43,812 PASSING YARDS
    329 PASSING TOUCHDOWNS
    CAREER PASSER RATING - 97
    2 TIME SUPER BOWL MVP
    3 TIME SUPER BOWL CHAMPION QB
    7 TIME PRO BOWLER
    3 TIME AFC PLAYER OF THE YEAR
    5 TIME AFC CHAMPION QB

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    GIOVANNI CARMAZZI

    0 COMPLETIONS
    0 PASSING YARDS
    0 PASSING TOUCHDOWNS
    CAREER PASSER RATING - 0
    NEVER PLAYED IN A SUPER BOWL
    NOT EVER ON A PRO BOWL BALLOT
    NEVER WON AN NFC CHAMPIONSHIP
    ....
    Actually to sum it all up,he never played in an NFL game :)


    There were many teams who gave up on Tom Brady in the 2000 draft,but no team will ever regret it more than the 49ers who had their chance to draft their season ticket holder for many years.

    IMO This was the biggest draft mistake in the history of the NFL

    49ers fans will watch this weekend wondering what would have been if one of their biggest fans as a child was ever brought home to be their starting QB :cool:
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    You got me with this - I know who he is and his "relationship" to Brady but I never guessed he didn't complete a pass.
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    It goes further than that: in one of the grand ironies, Carmazzi was "exposed" by none other than the Patriots defense. :)
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    Cheap shot.

    Brady is probably the GOAT.

    Carmazzi is a decent guy who, in interviews, pretty much says that he knows he didn't have it either on the field or mentally to play in the NFL. He didn't force anybody to draft him where he was drafted. What was he supposed to do, say, "Um, excuse me, but I think you should draft Tom Brady instead of me?"

    What's the point of rubbing it in?

    Why not a thread like this on the track record of the GM's and Owners who took everybody and his sister before they took Tom Brady. You might include Belichick and the Krafts in there, because they let Brady drop through five rounds and, according to Belichick, were still "wondering" about him when they (finally) took him in the sixth.

    [Save any flames for a nice outdoor winter barbecue.]
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    To be fair, I think it's not so much a cheap shot at Carmazzi as it is at the Ninny—er, Niners. :)
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    Disagree. It's a fair shot at the 'niners, who are in business to make these kinds of decisions; a cheap shot at this guy.
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    Carmazzi's a system QB.

    He quarterbacks some sort of goat farming system, anyway
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    Didn't quite type that right, but I agree, it is fair to criticize the Niners.
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    Well by those stats the Browns were spot on with this pick:

    6th round Pick 183:
    Spergon Wynn

    Height: 6-3 Weight: 226 Age: 34

    Born: 8/10/1978 Houston , TX

    College: Texas State

    Experience: 2 Seasons
    G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD
    2001 Minnesota Vikings 3 2 48 98 49.0 418 4.3 1 6 10 65 3 8.6 8 61 7.6 0 3 2

    2000 Cleveland Browns 7 1 22 54 40.7 167 3.1 0 1 13 89 41.2 3 15 5.0 0 2 2

    TOTAL 70 152 46.1 585 3.8 1 7 23 154 39.5 11 76 6.9 0 5 4

    At least he completed 70 passes in the NFL for 1 TD and 7 interceptions!
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    Like CT said,it was not a knock on Carmazzi,it was a knock on the 49ers organization for failure to give the kid down the road from San Mateo a chance to be like his hero Joe Montana and play for the team he and his family loved as a child....The same QB he is being compared to now.

    I am sure Carmazzi tried to be a pro QB but he was way below the talent level of even a journeyman,if I want to pick on a QB from the past,it would be a high profile guy like Ryan Leaf who wasn't even good enough to carry Peyton Manning's bags to the airport terminal.

    I did think that year that Tim Rattay was going to be a good QB for them...he only ended up as a backup most of his career.
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    I remember Steve Mariucci saying in "The Brady Six" that had he drafted Brady, he would have most likely still be coaching the Niners today. :)
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    To be fair, nobody had a 3rd round rating on Brady IIRC. The Niners needed a QB pretty high in the draft, and that is where Carmazzi rated out on most boards I think.

    Some did question the Carmazzi pick, including me, but that wasn't even the worst QB pick the niners had back then. The worst IMO was when they chose Jim Druckenmiller over Jake Plummer. Plummer would have done very well in the Niner's system IMO.
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    Passing on Plummer was a worse mistake than passing on Brady? Huh? Come on now.
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    Given the visual impact of your post's focus on Carmazzi (come on, man, you lined up Giovanni Carmazzi's "career stats" against those--bolded yet--of a possible GOAT's!?!), that's not how what you wrote came across to me; but, I'll take your word about what you intended. If I were making the point you say you were making, I'd have focused on Brady and mentioned Carmazzi almost as an afterthought in a concluding sentence and wouldn't have arrayed the statistics that are, no doubt, a source of embarrassment to him in this context.

    No big deal, but I have this "thing" about jumping on people when they are down, especially when they have never pretended to be better than they were and have been viewed as "down" for some time.
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    Thanks. Good perspective. That's where the emphasis belongs.

    BTW. We had some terrific opposition posters out here from Houston last week. Looks like you're off to a good start as well, and I look forward to your contributions as the week goes on and, of course, to your humble acknowledgment that you lost to a better team sometime late on Sunday night :).

    This is a Board that has traditionally welcomed oppo posters who are knowledgeable and polite and that hits the "ban" button pretty quickly on those who just want to talk nonsense.

    Welcome to the Board!
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    Thanks. I like to respectfully talk about football on other boards. I go in expecting the usual homerism, but this board seems like the best so far. The Niner board drives me crazy and I don't mix it up there that often. 3 out 5 threads become Alex v Kap arguments. It gets old. The only fans I like to mess with are Seahawks fans, cause, well I don't like them. :)

    And if the Niners do lose, I will come back, but it won't be until monday cause I will have to sulk a little. But I will be on Sunday night to celebrate a Niners Victory!!:rocker:
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    Yeah,I guess some can take the emphasis of Player over organization the wrong way,it was not intended to be disrespectful of Carmazzi,but more to show how close the 49ers could have been to a much better decade of wins,most likely anyway,in reality not one of those other QBs drafted that year other than Brady,mounted into much of anything.
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    In the grand scheme of things...no big deal. Just a hot-button for me.

    Go Pats...beat the Brady-passer-uppers!!!
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    "Alex v Kap?" That's nothing! We had people out here who were arguing that we should trade Brady and keep Cassel when Tommy was hurt and Matt won 11 games in 2008.
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    And you just did...OK...that earns the "humor" exemption from my "Don't Kick a Guy when he's down" rule.
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    GFY.:) So you freely admit to being a bad winner? Will you be here to take you lumps when the 49ers inevitably lose? I'd hunt you down on a 49er board, but I have a soul and don't kick a man when he's down.

    Wait a minute, take away my smiley emoticon.

    BTW, still waiting how you figure not drafting Brady was worse than not drafting Plummer.
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    Tongue in cheek my friend, not a bad winner at all. In consideration for your feelings, I will wait until after Sunday night to formally bask in my glory on Patsfans.com (again tongue in cheek). Tell you what though, if the Niners lose, then I will come on Sunday night to take any lumps. I realize this game is a huge challenge for the Niners.

    As for Brady/Plummer thing, I think you have to look at it from the organization's perspective at the time of the draft. Of course now we all know Brady is great and every team misjudged him during the draft process. But in that draft, the Niners were obviously committed to drafting a QB high (as in first 3-4 rounds) and from what I recall, nobody had Brady rated that high. So in reality, there was no way the Niners were going to draft him.

    Now conversely, in Plummer's draft, he was rated very high and was available for the Niners to draft at the end of Round 1. People were elated he was available and expected the Niners to take him. Heck, even Bill Walsh, who was advising the Niners at the time said to take him. But, they took Druckenmiller instead, who was absolute trash. That is why it is the worst QB pick for the Niners.
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    OTOH, though, if he were really trying to poke fun at Carmazzi, why bring it up now? :)
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    I don't care how good or bad this thread is, I'm giving it 5 stars just for this your funny car Muzzy restaurants (which is how my voice-recognition parsed "the Giovanni Carmazzi reference") :p
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