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    Since you depend on me for the link to the Kos feature, here it is:

    Daily Kos: Another day in the (gun crazy) U.S.A.

    Some quotes:

    In won't bother with the Kos 2-day totals. Here are the 1/14 numbers:

    Total shot, Jan. 14: 30
    Total killed, Jan. 14: 13

    Total loved ones/friends/etc. shot, Jan. 14: 5
    Total loved ones/friends/etc. killed, Jan. 14: 4

    Total defensive gun uses Jan. 14: 0

    A few more from around the Web:

    http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20130114/NEWS0107/301140114/&nclick_check=1

    How did he get a gun? If it was stolen, why wasn't it locked up in the first place? If it was legally purchased, why not confiscated with his first arrest?

    JournalGazette.net - Associated Press | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN

    Do we think Officer Friendly acquired his gun intending to shoot his mistress? Or perhaps he bought the gun for "protection," and decided to protect himself against the feeling of being ticked off about a paternity suit...

    Autopsy reveals Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher was  legally drunk when he shot Kassandra Perkins  - NY Daily News

    Did Belcher buy his Beretta intending to get drunk and shoot his girlfriend?

    Woman killed at campsite near Marblemount - AP State - MyNorthwest.com

    And for fans of defensive gun uses...

    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/jan/14/father-shoots-son-in-fatal-roane-county/

    More details as they develop, the site promises.

    HCSO: Mom fatally shoots son during argument | News - Home

    Friends gather for vigil to remember murdered eighth grader | MyFOX8.com

    Hayden found guilty in New Gloucester double murder | Sun Journal

    And the beat goes on.
     
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    Shouldn't somebody have a few hundred defensive gun uses for the same two day period, if there are really so many more defensive gun uses than garden variety shootings (and for that matter, murders of loved ones)?
     
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    you're losing your audience, buddy

    that's OK though because I am still here
     
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    Hey I'm counting on you I.C.

    Then I'll give everybody a break for a night and do another twofer tomorrow.
     
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    #54 Jersey

    Iono...I had one a few years ago in Richmond that I didn't even call into the police, let alone report to the media. We were being carjacked near VCU.

    Whatever...I don't give a **** anymore. :confused2:
     
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    ...And I believe you, based on conversations we've had here. There are others in here who are dyed-in-the-wool ideologues who are caught in lies all the time. I would not believe them.

    Similarly, the self-report studies that come up with these enormous tallies for "defensive gun uses" have certain people around whom these defensive gun uses cluster. I believe one respondent was claiming 70+ defensive gun uses in the last year. Combine that with a small sample size, and you can get some very skewed ideas of how many defensive gun uses there are every year.

    But since the NRA has succeeded in virtually forbidding real stats being gathered (it appears to have even penetrated the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which stopped gathering data on crimes by weapon used in 2006,) it's hard to get reliable non-anecdotal stats.

    One thing you can do is look at how many stories there are -- especially to find out how many times guns are fired defensively. These incidents most assuredly do show up on the police blotter. I'm finding a few scattered incidents compared with the number of shootings in general.

    PFnV
     
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    You understand why there are no studies, the lobbyists for the gun manufacturers, the NRA, did not let that part of the budget to be funded... they eliminated the government from studying and publishing statistics on this.

    Kind of like peek a boo, or object consistency, if you do not see it, it does not exist.

    4.6 million folks hold the rest of the country hostage for their agenda..
     
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    LOL well, case closed! That's easily 100 uses right there!
     
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    This is ridiculous. Because Daily KOS lists or doesn't list something doesn't mean it happened or didn't happen. Most defensive gun uses go unreported - and most defensive gun uses don't involve shooting someone some they wouldn't be on this list to being with.

    Daily KOS is just getting their information from the media, so if you spent even a few seconds thinking it over you would hopefully realize that the majority of them wouldn't be listed. And The ones that are reported in the media, are not on the list:

    For instance, from Jan 8-Jan 11:

    Man with infant shoots robber who held a gun to his head

    Pharmacy clerk in California fatally shoots burglary suspect


    15 Year old boy uses weapon of mass destruction with a 30 round automatic clip to shoot intruder



    Man Shoots burglar with shotgun


    Man shoots 2 suspects in home invasion

    Store clerk stops cattle-prod wielding burglar with gun

    Grandmother protects store from burglary with gun

    I can't seem to find any of those shootings on your list. Oh well, I guess because DailyKos doesn't want to list them they never happened...
     
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    Always good to see that, "weapons of mass destruction" are still being used.
     
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    What do the loons suggest should be done with this filthy slimey smelly rot?

    After you read the story read the comments (most loons won't finish reading it)
    Woman Brutally Stabbed Inside Bed, Bath & Beyond Store In NJ « CBS New York

    BRING BACK THE NUT HOUSE

    IMPEACH OBAMA

    BUY A GUN

    Fatso Christie is upset that the NRA mentioned Obama's Kids in one of their ads.

    I AM UPSET THAT "BARACK HUSSEIN (floppy ears) OBAMA USED KIDS FOR HIS CRAPPY ANTI GUN SWILL.
     
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    LOL.......too bad you can't make a law banning stupidity

    work better than banning guns
     
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    LOL now he's "Fatso Christie." He must have gained weight since he was the teabagger hero.
     
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    Congratulations to be the first on your block to actually do the work. The ones from "around the Web" are also not on the Kos list. However, it did capture a few defensive gun uses in earlier roundups.
     
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    However...

    Investigators: 15-year-old son of deputy shoots burglary suspect - (your "weapon of mass destruction used to kill burglar" story
    (June 29, 2010)

    (I know it's tricky... but congrats on pulling together what, 5 or 6 defensive gun uses over 3 days? Shouldn't there be hundreds?)
     
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    Owning a gun for defensive purposes ... even if needing it has less odds than winning a lottery is still a wise decision IMO - why be a statistic if you can possibly prevent it. You could post these everyday for a year or more and it won't change my opinion. Sadly some will become a statistic due to ownership but there are exceptions to everything in life - nothing is 100% wise 100% of the time.
     
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    The reality is you're more likely to shoot someone close to you than anybody else. Now, in fairness, you're sometimes really mad at them. Other times, you just screw up and shoot 'em, whoops, cleaning it and it went off. Or, the 2-year old finds it and BLAM.

    So I understand people wanting them for that purpose, but statistically, that's not who they shoot and kill - wildly inflated "defensive uses" stats be damned. They're self-reported, and people self-report dozens of them in a year. And don't even start on sample size...

    People actually shoot a bad guy every day. I've been looking in the round-ups and sometimes there are three or four of them. Actual bad guys just shoot people every day. People shoot their loved ones every day.

    None of these things happen every day in Britain, never mind all of them several times.

    What is the common denominator?

    PFnV
     

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