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    It's Bush's fault.
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    Smoking and Alcohol contribute greatly to much death and social problems in this country. Yet, our government derives great income from both. I have never understood this...always seemed backwards to me.

    The government is always coming up with things to be banned and yet banning smoking legally (like a drug) has never come close to happening.

    Many states have adopted no smoking policies...but like a war...the death toll is staggering before the enabler learned the lesson.

    As per the production of cigarettes...not sure that would work. Many people are already buying tobacco and rolling their own to save money. BTW...Uncle Sam still gets his large cut of the pie from tobacco sales also.

    Cigarettes, Booze, and Gasoline taxes...will always enable the highest consumption possible.
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    Remember when they tried to ban alcohol ? I've never smoked a cigarette in my life but I can imagine the uproar if they tried to ban them.
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    Fortunately, there are fewer and fewer instances of anyone ever having to inhale second hand smoke. Virtually all workplaces and public settings are now smoke free. The lone holdouts are bars and restaurants but even those are getting more and more regulated. But I think a complete ban on smoking would be pretty difficult to implement, don't you..?

    Besides, here's a dirty little secret: The government is as addicted to tax revenues from cigarette sales as the smokers are addicted to nicotine.
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    The bottom line is that the sale of tobacco should be banned. No, this will not happen for the same reason FDR taxed social security, it produces money. In addition, the people in power get huge contributions from big tobacco. Thus, you hear politicians state, milk is just as dangerous as cigarettes (Dole). There is no legitimate argument in defense of tobacco, it has no redeeming qualities. My guess is we are the leading exporter of tobacco, in another 20 years this will help us in our goodwill department overseas. At least with exporting military arsenal you can make a case for it. JoeSixPack stated in a previous thread that it would have a devastating economic impact on southern states which made sense until you break it down, weigh the detriments of tobacco vs the economy of a number of southern states. So, we plant different crops, pay farmers not to plant, whatever it takes. Heck, if we can lose track of 8 billion dollars in Iraq we can re-invent our poisonous farm land. It would not be prohibition. If people need to grow it, roll it, or get it in the black market, so be it. Right now 20% of U.S. smoke cigarettes. Stop over-the-counter sales and that is going to drop dramatically. I really don't care if you smoke. I care when I have to breath it. I care that my four and five year old daughters will have to deal with it in 10 years. Our government, tries to circumvent court rulings over an individual who is comatose, is outraged in regards to gay marriage, but turns a blind eye towards an addictive deadly product.
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    A complete ban on cigarette smoking would be both impossible and undesirable. The last thing we need is a return to prohibition. People will smoke in the privacy of their homes and their cars until smoking is universally disapproved of then they will quit of their own accord.
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    When the government began to regulate individual adult choices, combined with government compensation of skyrocketing hospital costs, they now fell that they have acquired the right to ban this and regulate that for our own good.
    Things happen for a reason. I have no problem with the government enforcing laws that forbid a company like Philli Morris to be able to lie and poison the People. Illness and death due to cigarettes are much higher in this country due to the fact that American companies infuse tobacco with toxic chemicals and preservatives. If you roll your own with organic tobacco or smoke weed, you will be much happier and healthier than if you did a pack of Marlboros a day. This enforcement power the government legitimately has extends to pesticides and anti-biotics used by the giant farming corporations and food processors as well as environmental polluters who knowingly contaminate the air and water.

    Instead of creating more laws that will result in the confiscation of property, imprisonment, or worse, the government should begin enforcing laws that already exist and stop collecting cash from special interest lobbies that gain favoritism and protection from the law.
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    Hey wistah is the wormsway way grow shop still in buisness, I think it's in wistah/webster area? If the gov't bans tobacco , I will purchase grow lights or find a tobacco supplier from N.C..
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    If it is as bad as everyone says it is then it should be banned. But, instead they raise taxes on addicted people. Yes, our government has real compassion, don't they.

    Then the give another class of addicted people SSI which is used to buy new drugs or alcohol and ruin SS.

    I do have to laugh seeing tobacco was orininally a crop of the Indians and was give as a gift to the Europeans. Then they traded for it. Then the Europeans took it over. Revenge!!:)
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    Be carefull BlueCollar. A other of a friend of mine was recently sent a tax bill from the (ATF?), not sure who but it was for tobacco taxes, that's for sure.

    She was buying the tabacky on the internet...some sites are charging the tax and others are not...to increase sales I would assume.

    The went through all her credit card statements and checking statements to see what she bought. They charged tax on 12 sales....but she had purchased much more. They sent her a form to fill out and now she is scared.

    She does not have the money to pay the tax...she's one of those "Notch Babies" who gets minimal SSI money because of her age and work record.

    She purchased much of the tabacky C.O.D. and is contemplating not filling it out. Letting Uncle Sam bear the burden of proof for the sales she figures. She says "they won't jail an 86 year old woman would they?...so scr ew them!!!" :rofl:

    So, be carefull all you internet tabacky purchasers...Uncle Sam needs more $$$.
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    Where exactly are you and your daughters going that you are forced to breathe secondhand smoke...?
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    The whole country is going nuts and it all started the day Barbara Bush gave birth to George W.

    Why do the Looney Liberals whine and splutter over privacy, discrimination, wiretapping, civil liberties, civil rights, the constitution, FREEDOM and all the rest of the sh!t they squawk and bleat about but when it comes to somebody smoking a cigarette they want them crucified.

    TOBACO IS LEGAL
    :bricks: "I don't smoke, but you can if you want to"

    F-ck Daylight Savings Time.
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    Does your neighbor's wife smoke or is she smoking?
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    I haven't seen her for a couple of weeks, they went camping.
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    I am amazed when I walk into a restaurant and they ask smoking or nonsmoking. This happened recently as I moved to a Chicago suburb. You would think living in a trendy upscale area that the smoking laws would be more strict. There is no denying that the anti-smoking laws are better, but there are still places where you have the pleasure of sucking in second hand smoke. The reference on my daughters was in regards to resisting teen pressure and whatever tobacco marketing has in store for them. Big tobacco needs young smokers for its on-going concern if it wants to stay domestic. What lenghts will they go? We already know they lie under oath and are in bed with politicians.
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    I just spent a little while in Amsterdam (The Netherlands) and Brussels (Belgium) - not once were we asked if we wanted smoking or non... they've never heard of a non-smoking section.
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    It's actually a national chain in a half-dozen states:
    http://www.wormsway.com/stores/Mass.asp

    That's the way - grow your own, roll your own.
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    Like where...? As I mentioned in a previous post, the only bastions left are restaurants and bars - and even then it is more adult type places than say McDonald's or Burger King. I guess I should add casinos to that list also. I am not saying that second hand smoke isn't dangerous, I am just saying that the amount of exposure non-smokers have to 2ndhand smoke is decreasing day by day. But what's next...? Will it be illegal to smoke in your own house if you have children living there..?
    Well that's where your responsibility as a parent comes in.
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