Continued from the partisan "budgets" thread, where a poster was directly challenged to show where the conventional oil discoveries are: There are no "solutions" to substitute for the greatest natural resource ever discovered by mankind. Only conservation and innovation, the latter of which is decades behind. As for "sniping," when you trot out one hollow, partisan assertion after another in a painfully bad attempt to explain why the global markets are imploding, you're going to be held accountable for your lazy rationalization. You get how message boards work, don't you? It "comes to mind" because it's all you remember about a topic you've probably never read much about short of some happy-land assessment in a conservative periodical. Meanwhile, back in reality, here's the USGS's assessment of Bakken: USGS Release: 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and MontanaÂ’s Bakken Formationâ€”25 Times More Than 1995 Estimateâ€” (4/10/2008 2:25:36 PM) Wow. A total of 3-4 billion!!!! Only about 1/10 the amount you were challenged to present, and certainly not a "new" discovery. Meanwhile, we consume 87 million barrels per day. This is a drop in the bucket, do better. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So at this point, it's clear your argument is based on "hope," certainly not proof. Nevermind the logistics of maintaining drilling infrastructure on top of constantly moving polar ice caps, but it MUST be down there!!!! The Russians want it!!! Who cares about input costs! Fail!!! Either way, get back to the topic when you can show something about proven, recoverable totals down there. Because hope doesn't keep markets afloat. In the meantime, please keep advocating the melting of those caps so you can build those rigs at enormous cost, infrastructure that might bring a tiny bit of oil to market in 15 years. More coal? Seriously? ... Holy crap are you uninformed. So, in 10 years, we'll have an idea whether it's ready for mass commerical production 10 years after that. Cool. Again, you were challenged to show where the new proven fields of conventional crude are. You've yet to do so. Ah yes, the Thorium claim that you always fall back to. The energy source of the future, and always will be. Even if ready tomorrow (rather than 20 years), it won't do much of anything for plastics, rubber, pavement, pesticides, fertilizers, acrylics, medicines and everything else that crude provides -- especially fuel. "Tedious" because you obviously lack a rudimentary understanding of a geological reality confirmed by our own Pentagon and IEA. You don't have any idea what you're talking about, and yet you spew with such misguided confidence. Truly is hysterical. Ah, now there we can agree on something. 32 years of corporate-friendly presidency will do that. But then, you love the unregulated free market, don't you?