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  1. solman

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    As of right now, we're picking #2 in the 2008 draft with four games to go:

    Vikings at home
    Cincinnati at home
    Tampa Bay at home
    Cleveland on the road

    If San Francisco loses all four games, we will clinch the #2 pick.

    I think that Cincinnati is the biggest threat to pull out a loss.

    Tampa Bay is a threat if they clinch the division early and start resting key players. To keep them from clinching, we kind of need them to lose to New Orleans right now.

    I suppose its also possible that Cleveland won't have anything to play for going into the last week. But between the wild card and the division, I think this is unlikely. Even if they don't have anything to play for, I'm not sure SF can beat them.
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    i can almost taste the 2nd pick overall for 2008...:singing:
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    I was really bummed when the Cowboys traded with the Browns because I wasn't psyched about anyone on the board and thought having 3 #1s would be awesome.

    No matter what I was convinced that the Browns pick was going to be pretty high and the 49ers pick would be middle of the round.

    Heh. :cool:
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    There is a thread on this already with a sticky. No need to make new ones every week.
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    That would make a nice pick for your Pats. The only downside is that means big money.
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    That's ok. I'd rather spend big money on a STUD than have Pioli draft more Maroney's and Jackson's of the world with late 1sts and early 2nd's.
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    i know... it just makes me smile thinking about it...:)
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    Yeah, if only Pioli could find the studs in those rounds the way Polian does.;) Have a good one.
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    I agree boss. Polian is better at drafting college players to fill the Colts needs than Pioli is at drafting college players to fill the Pats needs. I hate Polian, but I have to give the devil his due. Pioli's strengths are finding low cost free agents to fill our needs, making great trades for veterans, and knowing who to re-sign and who to let walk.
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    Dum-dum strikes again! Look out Pioli; this braindead denizen of Patsfans.com is coming for your job!
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    yeah...Pioli is really horrible at drafting NFL players

    except for Tom Brady

    and Richard Seymour

    and Ty Warren

    and Vince Wilfork

    and Logan Mankins

    and Ben Watson

    and Dan Koppen

    and Asante Samuel

    and Deion Branch

    and Daniel Graham

    and...oh wait...somebody is a full blown NUTCASE here
  12. HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

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    While it would great to get the #2 overall pick, who would the Pats select? Dorsey? I'm worried about his knees. Chris Long? Maybe. Jake Long? I'm leaning more towards trading down a lot and acquiring 2nd and 3rd round picks. That is where the value is at.
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    Your right, Piloi should be fired. 3 superbowls is not enough production. I'd start looking elsewhere.
  14. solman

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    There is also a sticky thread about Patriots records. Do you want to banish all of the threads discussing records as well?

    The sticky discusses the rules for determining draft order. It shouldn't preclude a timely discussion of what it takes for us to clinch #2.
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    NSA is a troll. If you recognize who he is, then stop feeding him!

    :trolls:
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    Hey nutjob......you missed an important Pioli strength - being one of the key men credited for putting together (draft, trade & FA) the greatest team that ever was, is and most likely will ever be.
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    Buddy, once again you completely exagerrate my post and fail to read my other posts on this topic. My beef with Pioli is the fact that he has butchered the last two drafts. Again, should I just give him a pass??? Should the Broncos fans give Mike Shanahan a lifetime get out of jail free card because he won 2 super bowls? I mean, good lord, give me a break. Pioli is without a doubt a great GM. Hovever, he is in a major slump with his draft picks the last 2 years. I don't want to hear this crap that none of the players after round 2 could have made this team the last 2 years because I can assure you that there would be players just as good, if not better, than the Kyle Eckel's, Rashad Baker's, Eddie Jackson's, and Chad Brown's of the world that are currently on our 53 man roster. If you think Maroney was worth the #21 pick in the draft and Jackson was worth the #36 pick than you are kidding yourself.:rolleyes:
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    And, btw, Daniel Graham was not worth the #18 pick in the draft. He is a solid TE, nothing more and nothing less.
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    If they lose out it doesn't clinch anything.

    The Rams, Jets or Falcons could all easily lose out as well.

    If any of the above teams does so, then it's a matter of SOS, which won't be determined until the final game.
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    Daniel Graham wasn't a good Patriot???

    tell Denver that
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    Wow, this is incredible. Where the hell did I say he wasn't a good Patriot??????? Sure he was. However, that doesn't mean he was worth being the #18 player taken in the entire draft. Graham was never a pro bowl caliber TE. He is a solid player, nothing more and nothing less. Kyle Brady is a solid TE but was he worth a top 10 pick that the Jets used on him years ago??? Of course not! Sam Bowie was a nice NBA player. Was he worth the #2 pick in the NBA draft ahead of Michael Jordan? Wow, please learn to read before you talk.
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    Raiders about to win... that helps the pick.
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    A thread where NSA rips on Maroney. Shocking really, I mean the thread has nothing to do with him but the first thing out of NSA's mouth is to rip on Maroney. Thanks for your input because no one has any idea how you feel on the topic.
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    Funny that every thread you post on you end up having to post something like the quote above. I wonder why? Guess it's tough when you're the only one right and everyone else is wrong. Guess it's also tough that no one reads your posts correctly. Wonder why that is? This really reads like troll postings.
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    That's exactly what it was stickied to preclude in the form of additional threads, not that this thread as it is devolving even covers that...
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    Let's be honest when you evaluate last year's draft: In essence this is what it was:

    Pats 2007 Draft Results

    #1 Brandon Meriweather (The jury is out, but we need to wait 2 full years)

    #1 Dealt to SF for this year's #1 pick (As of right now #2 OVERALL)

    #2 Wes Welker

    #3 (Traded to the Raiders for their 3rd round pick in 2008), as of right now, that will be a gain of roughly 25 spots in round 3 compared to where the Patriots would have picked)

    #4 Randy Moss

    #4 Kareem Brown (Cut now with the Jets)

    #5 Clint Oldenburg (He was a 5th round pick - gone, but what do you expect)

    #6 Justin Rogers (Cut and picked up by Dallas)

    #6 Mike Richardson (Lost on IR, looked REALLY GOOD in the pre-season and has a future on this team next year)

    #6 Justin Hairston (Cut)

    #6 Corey Hilliard (Cut)

    #7 Oscar Lua (Looked half decent in pre-season, will make the team next
    year and will be a top backup as ILB)

    #7 Mike Elgin (Cut)

    So in all honesty, this is what we actually got from the 2007 NFL draft:

    Brandon Meriweather,
    (SF #2-#5 overall pick in 2008 which could easily bring in a Darren McFadden, Chris Long or Jake Long),
    (Raiders 3rd round pick in 2008 - which will be at the very top of round 3),
    Wes Welker,
    Randy Moss,
    Mike Richardson (End up as a top nickel back on this team and give them good depth),
    Oscar Lua (ditto).

    All in all, thank you Scott Pioli, you did us well in 2007.
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    It's like the Patsfans.com version du jour of Godwin's law--any thread, if allowed to proceed sufficiently far, will eventually result in board members dissing current players on the team.

    [Football Outsiders apparently has a similar Godwinesque problem--every thread there seems to devolve into a Brady v. Manning thread. :) ]
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    How on Earth is anybody BRAINDEAD F-ing STUPID enough to think that you can judge a draft within TWO years? Are you ten years old????
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    Huh? I thought the whole idea of drafting players and putting them on your 53 man roster is to get PRODUCTION from them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm guessing Pioli and Belichick weren't expecting Maroney to be a JAG and Chad Jackson to have NO RECEPTIONS by week #12 of 2007. You think teams draft 1st and 2nd rd picks to get little to NO PRODUCTION from them by week #12 of year 2 of their 5 year rookie contracts? Do you think we drafted Meriweather with the expectation that he would be sitting behind Rashad Baker and Eddie Jackson on the depth chart by week #12 of the season? Seriously, let's call it like it is. Upto this point, day, and time, the last 2 drafts have been DISSAPOINTING.
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    Absolutely. To put this is a totally non-Patriots related perspective, compare Mario Williams and Reggie Bush. Last year, people were ripping the Texans but this year with Williams having 8.5 sacks and Bush not living up to expectations, you don't hear it as much....Let's wait 3-4 years before judging a draft.........
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