Tired about all this "All In" talk

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Another of your many errors is your apparent belief that going "all in" is a 1 year proposition followed by certain mediocrity. Just by going a little heavy on 1 particular season does not automatically consign you to 8-8 the next 10 years.

All in != "a little heavy"

 

[50-yard-line]

After watching the Red Sox these last three years, I'll stick with the Pats' long-term competitive vision any day. As awesome as last year was at Fenway, book-ending it with 2012 and now 2014, makes the whole less enjoyable than meaningful games in January each of the last three Patriot years.

For Red Sox fans, it's brutal on season-ticket holders, who can't give their (expensive) seats away. The games are meaningless, other than watching the new shiny toy they've acquired.

The Patriots keep us on the edge of our seats deep into the playoffs almost every year. That's just so much more enjoyable than the roller-coaster ride.

NEVER go "all-in" please, if it means you wander the wilderness for several years afterward.

 

[PatFanCraig]

Several things:

• I never said that teams are in salary cap turmoil for more than a year or two. Going "all in" doesn't mean you go into cap hell or heck for years. Where going "all in" can really hurt you is that you are not building for the future and when these high priced marquee talent either get old or they are cut because their salaries out value their performance, the team hasn't groomed their replacement or they don't have talent in other areas. It isn't all about the salary cap.
• The Broncos and Seahawks are a bad examples of "all in" teams (at least until this year and we do not know the fallout of that yet). Most of both team's star players are still playing under their rookie deals at least until this past offseason where several of the Seahawks' star players got new deals. Players like Richard Sherman, Demaryius Thomas, Von Miller, Earl Thomas, Julius Thomas, and Russell Wilson are/were making well below their market value. That allowed both teams to overpay in other areas. When Brady's salary drops next year (assuming they don't redo his deal), the Pats will be in a similar position in theory.
• The Seahawks, in a few years when all their newly retained players start to make real money on their new deals, will not be able to do what they did in the last few years. And they still have a few players still locked up from two years ago when the free agent salaries were unusually low. They have yet to be be faced with a Wilfork or Mankins situation where they have a former stud player on the wrong side of 30 making over $10 million on the cap. They will in several years.
• I was not impressed with Sanders last year when he was made a focal point of the offense in Pittsburgh. I know he looked good in the preseason, but we need to wait until the real guns fly.
• The Pats' biggest need at WR was big red zone targets. In the last two years when Gronk went down, that is what killed the Pats. Brady has almost never had problem moving the ball in the open field. It is when they got into the red zone where things fell apart because guys like Edelman and Amendola are better open field options than red zone options. LaFell addresses that need. How well? We will see in the about a week.
• Overall I like the receiving corp and I don't think Sanders was a need. We may find out that it might have been worth signing him to keep him from Manning, but that is something for another day.

Rob calm down dude I was kinda agreeing with you in many ways. I wasn't saying you said anything bout being terrible for a long time. I was saying it is the general consensus. The media acting like a team is splurging to win. When really they are intelligently taking advantage of an oppurtunity to get one of those gorgeous trophies (or2) that only one team per year gets to hold up and celebrate while the losers gets to watch. I watched maybe 10 plays of the superbowl. I didnt really care who won. I didnt like either team. And yes if a team spends big to win a championship when they see an opportunity it can cause cap probs for a season MAYBE 2. Like you may lose a player you drafted, but if you hit on a couple picks it can easily make up for losing a player. There's always salary a team can cut as in players not playing up to their contracts to make cap room. Like with Mankins, only prob with that is instead of using Cannon and Fleming at guard it looks like Wendell and Connolly AGAIN. That trash blocking for Tom. Connolly is OK at Center but not RG.

I think they should have made a run for Alex mack. Give Brady time and he will make any WR look good. Mack Cannon and Fleming could form the most formidable interior OLine Triad in the league. I think Bill should be taking advantage of having Tom Brady not worrying about winning a championship with another QB. Look at all the good QBs being overplayed because they don't want to risk having a bad or mediocre QB. I don't really agree with the Garappollo pick when they are trying to win a championship now. They could use a Round2 draft pick along the OLine right now.

Anyways I have confidence in Kenbrell and Dobson, so its not that big a deal not signing Sanders. However the prob is they did sign a scrub WR and played it cheap. Everybody knows Sanders has elite talent but didn't click with Ben. I don't think that would have been the case with Brady, I think Sanders would have been an explosive. And I think he will do better with Manning as well. Bill played it cheap and signed Scrub Lafell when the price on Sanders went up over $3million and allowed manning and the broncos to sign a WR the whole NFL is waiting to explode. Let's just see who played that smarter and gets the better of that. Revis can't cover everybody and Sanders could really come back to bite him in the ***.

Somebody here said bill signed Lafell as insurance in case Kenbrell and Dobson flop. And Lafell showed that Bill is not completely sold on Kenbrell and Dobson. REALLY?! In the event The young WRs don't develop they bring in Lafell to be the big play go to guy! I just think if they are going to sign a WR they should have done it right and played an extra $2million for a far more dynamic playmaker. I know everybody is telling themselves Sanders only did that in the preseason but everybody is thinking how Bill probably should have signed him. And it showed how he hooks up better with manning better than he ever did in Pittsburgh. Bill is very intelligent and I'm very very impressed with his discovery of Tim Wright. I think he is a great pass catcher that slipped through the cracks due to WR size and TE combine stats. However Bill continues to make very questionable decisions that never work out like playing it cheap and signing Lafell over Sanders,drafting a qb, drafting Round7 and UFA's in round2, trading away a round3 pick for players with round grades, and drafting a QB in round2 when we can win a Superbowl now. Of course if Garappollo becomes a real franchise QB( not just a good system backup) it will be a good move. However if he can't win a Superbowl with the Best QB ever does it matter who the backup is. Bill must have liked Grapps but Savage and Mettenberger have just as much chance to develop as Grapps.

This is a little off subject but something worth considering. This was not a draft with elite QB prospects. However Brady came from a weak class where several guys happened to be good qbs including the best ever. This class had no Lucks,Newtons,Griffins but has many QBs with strong fairly accurate arms that can put the football in tight spots. Savage,Mettenberger,Thomas,Grapps and others. A couple of these QBs will turn out to be franchise QBs. Grapps was prolific in a good system in lower level talent. I think Savage and Mettenberger have the armtalent to develop into good QBs and Grapps is no more likely to be a franchise QB as they are. They all have good arms and accuracy to fit the ball in tight windows but inconsistent with accuracy at times. Either or all could become consistent QBs. I hope Grapps does and he does have the advantage of speed and athleticism. He runs way faster than that 4.9. Just we could have got a qb later than Round2

 

[RayClay]

Yeah what a disaster that season was. They won 18 straight games before losing the Super Bowl by a whisker. Obviously the strategy behind building that team was written by a babbling, incoherent moron.

I think you misunderstand the point. The patriots didn't go "all in" that year, they never do. In 2008, they still won 11 games, good enough for the playoffs 90% of the time, with a quarterback who hadn't started a regular season game since high school.

 

[RayClay]

Another of your many errors is your apparent belief that going "all in" is a 1 year proposition followed by certain mediocrity. Just by going a little heavy on 1 particular season does not automatically consign you to 8-8 the next 10 years.

So, you've changed "all in" to a "little heavy" to make your point?

Of course, unless you consider spending a 4th round pick for a receiver who agreed to a salary cut, there really isn't any point about the 2007 season anyway.

 

[RayClay]

Doesn't BB have a quote about, "we are building a team, not collecting talent"...

I don't know, does he?

 

[Brady6]

You don't watch the news huh? Bob Kraft is doing everything he can go bring All-In to Foxboro... He also wants slot machines, roulette tables, etc.

 

[Brady6]

You make sure you get into the tournament ever year. After that, whatever. Sure you try to have a balance deep team with great skill players and solid backups. But how many times has the better team lost....

They have more than one all in tournament a year at most casinos.

 

[Brady6]

Rob calm down dude I was kinda agreeing with you in many ways. I wasn't saying you said anything bout being terrible for a long time. I was saying it is the general consensus. The media acting like a team is splurging to win. When really they are intelligently taking advantage of an oppurtunity to get one of those gorgeous trophies (or2) that only one team per year gets to hold up and celebrate while the losers gets to watch. I watched maybe 10 plays of the superbowl. I didnt really care who won. I didnt like either team. And yes if a team spends big to win a championship when they see an opportunity it can cause cap probs for a season MAYBE 2. Like you may lose a player you drafted, but if you hit on a couple picks it can easily make up for losing a player. There's always salary a team can cut as in players not playing up to their contracts to make cap room. Like with Mankins, only prob with that is instead of using Cannon and Fleming at guard it looks like Wendell and Connolly AGAIN. That trash blocking for Tom. Connolly is OK at Center but not RG.

I think they should have made a run for Alex mack. Give Brady time and he will make any WR look good. Mack Cannon and Fleming could form the most formidable interior OLine Triad in the league. I think Bill should be taking advantage of having Tom Brady not worrying about winning a championship with another QB. Look at all the good QBs being overplayed because they don't want to risk having a bad or mediocre QB. I don't really agree with the Garappollo pick when they are trying to win a championship now. They could use a Round2 draft pick along the OLine right now.

Anyways I have confidence in Kenbrell and Dobson, so its not that big a deal not signing Sanders. However the prob is they did sign a scrub WR and played it cheap. Everybody knows Sanders has elite talent but didn't click with Ben. I don't think that would have been the case with Brady, I think Sanders would have been an explosive. And I think he will do better with Manning as well. Bill played it cheap and signed Scrub Lafell when the price on Sanders went up over $3million and allowed manning and the broncos to sign a WR the whole NFL is waiting to explode. Let's just see who played that smarter and gets the better of that. Revis can't cover everybody and Sanders could really come back to bite him in the ***.

Somebody here said bill signed Lafell as insurance in case Kenbrell and Dobson flop. And Lafell showed that Bill is not completely sold on Kenbrell and Dobson. REALLY?! In the event The young WRs don't develop they bring in Lafell to be the big play go to guy! I just think if they are going to sign a WR they should have done it right and played an extra $2million for a far more dynamic playmaker. I know everybody is telling themselves Sanders only did that in the preseason but everybody is thinking how Bill probably should have signed him. And it showed how he hooks up better with manning better than he ever did in Pittsburgh. Bill is very intelligent and I'm very very impressed with his discovery of Tim Wright. I think he is a great pass catcher that slipped through the cracks due to WR size and TE combine stats. However Bill continues to make very questionable decisions that never work out like playing it cheap and signing Lafell over Sanders,drafting a qb, drafting Round7 and UFA's in round2, trading away a round3 pick for players with round grades, and drafting a QB in round2 when we can win a Superbowl now. Of course if Garappollo becomes a real franchise QB( not just a good system backup) it will be a good move. However if he can't win a Superbowl with the Best QB ever does it matter who the backup is. Bill must have liked Grapps but Savage and Mettenberger have just as much chance to develop as Grapps.

This is a little off subject but something worth considering. This was not a draft with elite QB prospects. However Brady came from a weak class where several guys happened to be good qbs including the best ever. This class had no Lucks,Newtons,Griffins but has many QBs with strong fairly accurate arms that can put the football in tight spots. Savage,Mettenberger,Thomas,Grapps and others. A couple of these QBs will turn out to be franchise QBs. Grapps was prolific in a good system in lower level talent. I think Savage and Mettenberger have the armtalent to develop into good QBs and Grapps is no more likely to be a franchise QB as they are. They all have good arms and accuracy to fit the ball in tight windows but inconsistent with accuracy at times. Either or all could become consistent QBs. I hope Grapps does and he does have the advantage of speed and athleticism. He runs way faster than that 4.9. Just we could have got a qb later than Round2

How many words can you type a minute?

 

[supafly]

Doesn't BB have a quote about, "we are building a team, not collecting talent"...

Yes, Darryl--you are correct.

That is a popular saying that Belichick has used before.

Here is an article from 2011, where Reiss brings that up:

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...hick-went-astray-acquiring-albert-haynesworth

 

[Joker]

ALL IN!...ooops...looks like you know who missed the bus...again..

 

[PatFanCraig]

How many words can you type a minute?

About 65 on a keyboard if I don't worry bout making errors

 

[A man named Brady]

The reality is Our Qb Is 37 years old. We only have a few more cracks at this. Same thing with the broncos and their old QB.

 

[Jackson 2]

I dunno about you, but I'd rather have a championship team, that contends every year over anything else.

This whole going all in talk is for the birds!

I agree, but Bob (the grumpy old man) Ryan thinks we're all not really happy with our team. The douchebag...

 

[Seacoast Fan]

How many words can you type a minute?

Two words: Dragon software.