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  1. scout

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    #15 Jersey

    Time to sign on the dotted line. Boehner's heralded plan does not reduce the dept as much as he's stated. So, what's his options: 1). Cut more spending 2). Compromise
    Fairly easy answer since congress and the President will not sign what's out there now. Polls also show that the majority of the people want compromise. If he does not compromise he can kiss his job as speaker goodbye (which might happen anyways, but at least he did the right thing).
    This ordeal has been good. It has made cuts in the programs which would not have been made. When has that ever happened before?
     
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    In case anyone disagrees with you: Not only do they want compromise, they want a combination of tax increase and spending cut.

    An ABC/Washington Post poll released Tuesday indicates that more than six in ten Americans say any agreement on the deficit needs to include a combination of spending cuts and new taxes. According to the survey, large majorities of Democrats and independent voters support the combined approach, with nearly half of Republicans also in agreement.

    An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll also out Tuesday indicates that 58 percent of Americans support the president's proposal, which would reduce the federal deficit by $4 trillion dollars over the next decade by cutting federal spending, increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, and reducing the level of spending on Medicare. Thirty-six percent of those questioned say they support a proposal by Republicans in Congress which would reduce the Federal deficit by $2.5 trillion over the next decade by cutting Federal spending and would not raise taxes on corporations or the wealthy.

    A CBS News poll released Monday indicates that two-thirds of Americans say any agreement should include spending cuts and tax increases, with 28 percent saying a deal should only include spending cuts and 3 percent saying it should only include tax increases. According to the survey, there is little partisan divide on the question. More than seven out of ten Democrats and more than two-thirds of independent voters support a balanced approach, as do 55 percent of Republicans and 53 percent of self-described tea party movement supporters.

    A Quinnipiac University poll released last week had similar findings. The survey indicated that two-thirds of the public supported a deal that included spending cuts as well as tax increases for wealthy Americans and corporations. Nearly nine out of ten Democrats and two-thirds of independents questioned supported the inclusion of tax increases. Republicans in that poll were divided on the issue.

    A Gallup poll Monday asked a different question, but also suggests that Americans want compromise. According to the survey, two-thirds say the people who represent them in government should agree to a compromise plan to raise the debt ceiling, even if it's a proposal with which they disagree. Only 27 percent say they would like their federal lawmaker to hold out for the basic plan they want, even if the debt ceiling is not raised by the deadline. According to the poll, 72 percent of independents, 69 percent of Democrats and 57 percent of Republicans say their lawmaker should agree to a compromise plan.


    Polls: Americans want compromise in debt ceiling standoff – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
     
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    First of all "compromise" what? What's the plan? Where are the details? The use of extremely generic, dumb down, popular target terms like "compromise", "balanced approach", "shared sacrafice, and the most useless "$x cuts" don't tell us anything. It's like asking someone if they want public parks, kids educated, and criminals put in jail. Who doesn't? It's how you plan to provide each that is important. We need specifics people. It's impossible to support one side, or another, without knowing what their specific plan is. So far I haven't seen anything of substance from either side. Zippo.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    But none of those polled want ANY tax increases upon our middle class. So let us establish that any....ANY tax increase (in any form) upon the middle class is unacceptable to Americans.

    Thank you!

     
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    #18 Jersey

    Here is a fact no one can deny or debate....

    At some point soon, our spending MUST match our revenues...end of story.

    So these idiots can use all the buzz words they want and talk a talk without walking any walk...but they WILL have to face this fact soon.

    Here's the FACTS:

    We spend much more than we collect in tax revenues
    We borrow money to pay our debt
    Our credit rating WILL be lowered
    No country will be able to spend more than it collects
    Middle class Americans can't and won't pay any more taxes

    Make your proposal based upon the above FACTS A-Holes!
     
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    Was not aware the middle class tax increases were part of any discussion.. just the loopholes created in 2001.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    You're right Darryl...it's not part of the discussion.....YET.

    But we also know that closing loopholes & increasing taxes upon the wealthy won't be enough. You just wait...I'd bet money that within 3 years our federal gov't will "Try" to increase taxes upon the middle class.

    Maybe by saying something like "We're only going to raise taxes on individuals making $140k or more...but it will happen. They'll allow the "Above $250k" to become "above $200k" and then lower it again.

    I don't have a lot of trust in our gov't. Never have...
     
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    What is the sense of speculating?? All you can do is live in the present, which has turned into a circus..
     
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    At least we can agree on something...
     
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    #75 Jersey

    So after all the brinksmanship, negotiating and horse-trading what do we get? A reduction of a trillion dollars over the next ten years (only a few billion next year):

    http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/123xx/doc12336/HouseBudgetControlAct.pdf
    I think Steyn said it best:

    The Debt Mountain Labored and Brought Forth a Mouse - By Mark Steyn - The Corner - National Review Online

    I guess they are going to try again:

    Daily Kos: After bad CBO score, Boehner rewriting debt*bill
     
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    I have a question on Social Security. Doesn't the main issue get resolved with an increase in age requirements? For instance, tick it up 6 months for the first recipients (example: if your aged 57 today). Then a year for the next. However many billions that brings in, it has to help. I'm not hearing anything on this. Anyone have any thoughts?
     
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    Cut Cap and Balance has already has passed bettwen than Boehner's and Ried's smoke and mirrors. Time for Obama and Reid to Sign Cut Cap and Balance.
     
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    Not going to happen. Just because a bill gets passed in the House doesn't mean it will pass the Senate.
     
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    True even though 66% of Americans want Cap Cut and Balance, according to CNN polling.


    BTW I am fine with paying the interest to the debt and SS pauments with the 190B+ of tax revenues shut down the rest most will never notice.
     
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    Once again I would like to ask you for a link to the CNN website so I can see how the question was asked. Thanks.
     
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    cnn.com, search: polls and look at the internals, don't be so lazy. Besides if I linked the poll you would just attack the source.

    From p 5 of their 7/18-21 poll:

    This is the Cap Cut and Balance that H Reid and the dems have blocked debate on and won't give a vote to.
     
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    Absolutely. Life expectancy and health continue to improve. Why keep those ages fixed at levels set in 1983?
     
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    pf13: I am on your side here, but that is a quote, not a link. :confused2:
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Well, if that's the way "they" want it, then the age at which you can withdraw IRA's and other tax-deferred funds should go up the same amount. I wonder why that hasn't been brought up? How about membership in AARP and senior discounts?

    It all makes sense considering most people don't/ won't/ can't start working until they turn 25.
     
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    So approx. thirty years the life expectancy hasn't gone up? Why not have social security age increase like a cost of living expense.
     

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