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  1. shirtsleeve

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    Hey guys,
    Haven't posted here on over a year. I dont plan to post much, but this one really got my goat! Its time the scumbag is elimated from office and prosecuted.

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...6/12/16/kerry_in_baghdad_during_mideast_tour/

    Kerry is touring not only Syria, but Iran too. He is doing so, with our enemies, in war time, without authority of the State Dept. He is not a private citizen, he is a US Senator in office. Politics ends at the border. Period. To deliberately defy US policy in this fashion is TREASON. Plain and simple.

    We may argue among ourselves. But this is inexcusable
     
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    You shouldn't be too suprised...Kerry did the same thing during Vietnam..He went and met with the N Koreans. Kerry is a disgusting excuse for a senator.
     
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    What a laugh! We have an administration that is utterly incompetent and the American people voted the Republicans out in large part because of the war. The Democrats are doing what the people want them to do, trying to find a path out of this Republican-created mess. Rather than Republicans taking cheap shots at Kerry, they should be hoping he finds a way to save American lives and prestige.

    By the way, what did you think of McCain going to Iraq and calling for 30,000 more troops? Did you think that was inexcusable that he's in a foreign country interfering with the President's plan?
     
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    Ya know, I didn't mention this administration or its policies once in that post. Whatever they are, it is irrelevent. Those policies, no matter how infuriating to all of you, are the OFFICIAL POLICIES OF THE UNITED STATES.

    It is also of no relevence to this thread whether Kerry, Baker, or McCain visited Iraq. They all did so with State Dept approval. Further, to reccomend policy shift is exactly the Senate's job. There is a huge difference between acting within authority of the State Dept. in an official capacity and reporting back to the Senate, and contradicting OFFICIAL POLICY by word and deed in an assumed official capacity...to our ENEMIES. That is treason. Period.

    The American people re-elected the Bush administration in 2004, by a large margin. This mid term election, whether seen by some as a referendum on the war or not, has no bearing on current foreign policy, unless and until the CONGRESS VOTES to force a policy change. What Kerry did was something else again.

    Now dont get me wrong, I cant tolerate the current globalist fascist administration any more than I could tolerate the previous socialist globalist one, or the previous again fascist globalist one. But there is no excuse for bringing our differences to bear before any declared enemy of our state.
     
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    John Fonda Kerry is a Socialist, Communist, Pusalist, Sh!tless, Traitorist, Scummyist, Bastardist piece of human waste.

    If the idiot Democrats could have come up with a decent patriotic honest human being during the last election George Bush would never have won.

    Many people didn't "Vote For Bush" they voted against John Fonda kerry they saw him for what he is, a Goopy Communist bastard *****.

    John Fonda kerry should go shove himself up his rotten anti american a$s.
    :bricks:
     
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    shirtsleeve, don't you think people have to stand up for what they believe? If Bush, as many believe, is jeopardizing American lives, security, and prestige, then someone has to step up to the plate and try to do something. If Kerry is selling national secrets, he should be tried for treason, but if he's in Syria discussing diplomatic measures the Syrians could take, then he should be commended. Besides, we have exchanged ambassadors with Syria. You could go to Syria. They have some nice hotels there: http://www.fourseasons.com/damascus/
     
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    I could go, or you could. Its nice we have established diplomatic relations again. Its not that I personally have anything against keeping these lines of communication open with them or anyone else. You or I could also go there and speak out against this admin. and promise the American people want a change of policy. It means nothing. We are private citizens. Thats the difference.
    PS. still dont know how to do that multiple quote thing.
     
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    I sorta think our Senators are supposed to do what they can to be fully informed and to advance American interests. If we did not have diplomatic relations with Syria, it would be another matter. If Kerry went to North Korea without permission, it would be harder to justify (but not impossible). Incidentally, I read that Arlen Specter (R) is also going to Syria.

    As far as the multiple quote thing, just precede what you want to quote with $quote=user_name$ and follow it with $/quote$. Of course, instead of $ use left and right brackets.
     
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    As much as I hate to agree with Patters, there is nothing illegal about John Fonda Kerry going to Iran and Syria. He is an elected official and can go where ever he wants. The worst that would happen would be that he ticks off the State Department and he has never shown that he cares about that sort of thing. The only way that he could be prosecuted is if he negotiated with a foreign government without Executive branch approval. Unfortunately we can feel that this trip is wrong but, nothing that he is doing makes him liable for prosecution.
     
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    John Kerry is an idiot. It's that simple.
     
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    We're not at war with Syria or Iran and they're not under a travel embargo. Go find something else to get enraged about, like Rossie O'Donnel. She seems to be popular among the talking heads right now.
     
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    I'm glad he's going, the whole country laughs at him, just when you think he can't do anything else to make himself look foolish he comes up with a new one.

    "hi Syria, I'm John Fonda Kerry, I'm a war hero and I'm the real president, would you like some "peace bricks" :bricks:
     
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    very good point. and according to the bi-partisan ISG, talks with those nations needs to begin now, not to wait for chimpy to open his christmas cards from God telling him what to do next (Rove is no longer pulling the levers and the only stuff coming his way is coal)

    Kerry is only one among many that are going to begin diplomatic negotiations. Get used to it.

    And how on earth can someone sit there and claim that our national security is better now than 6 years ago when our army is verging on completely broken is among the dumbest things Ive read in awhile.

    merry kwanzaa
     
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    I hate to break it to some of you, but that ISG report has some seriously ridiculous recomendations in it. Personally, seeking out Syria and Iran for help, and thinking that they'd actually serve to settle our best interests is a tad unrealistic to me. When in their lifetime have radical muslim regimes been willing to cede to reason?
     
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    Imagine Iran & Syria HELPING the United States :singing: :singing:

    They hate us worse than they hate Israel or Santa Claus.
     
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    Harry I'm all for having some form of communication with nations like these. For obvious reasons, having channels of communication are important. However, for someone to say that we need seek out Iran and Syria's help, when it is Iran and Syria that are rooting the violence in Iraq, I'm forced to do a double take. It's like seeking out Hamas to help us with Al-Queda.
     
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    I agree, many fights have been prevented by "talking" but those country's despise us and those country's have been using violence to solve their problems for thousands of years, they can't be trusted, they have the savagery flowing through their blood, a whacko like Kerry just can't understand that or he just ignores it.

    JOHN FONDA KERRY ISN'T WORRIED ABOUT AMERICA KERRY IS CONCERNED WITH "HIS IMAGE" THIS IS ALL ABOUT "HIM" NOT AMERICA, HE WILL DO AND SAY ANYTHING TO KEEP HIS SAPPY FACE ON THE FRONT PAGE.

    JOHN FONDA KERRY IS ONE OF AMERICA'S "JOKES"
     
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    You have it backwards Shirtsleeve. The official policy of the US, as laid out in the Constitution, makes it clear that the legislative branch is in no way at all subordinate to the executive EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Its a terrifying notion that the State Department, which sits directly under the authority of the President and takes its orders from him, should be able to order a member of the Legislative branch to do anything. DC cops can't even give Senators parking tickets because that division of power that the framers laid out is central to our form of government.

    If we start removing these 'bums' from the Senate and prosecuting them for going against Bush's wishes, we might as well rename this country Oceania ala George Orwell's 1984. Heck it appears as though we're 'always at war with East Asia' as it is. Giving the Executive ultimate power like that will put us all the way there.
     

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