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  1. PonyExpress

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    It's time to stand up and be accounted for. After a tough election, and a tougher war, some politically conservative individuals have been cowed into silence and passivity by the escalating rhetoric from the left. The sing song chorus of defeat is ringing everywhere, and the warping of the American mind continues unabated. "Socialism" disguised as maternalistic politics hides the iron fist behind its back. But there is too much at stake to remain in one's shell for long. The war can still be won, and will be won if the military isn't hogtied by Washington's Lilliputians. Call the white house, senate etc. stand up for yourself and your beliefs in public and private, Don't allow the chorus of defeat to drown out the voices of our soldiers overseas, who know this war can be won if they are given the means to do so. The long knives are being drawn on Capitol Hill and all of us can make a difference in the future of our country, if we care enough to do so. The time is now!
     
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    #91 Jersey

    If you think this war can still be won, or is even a contest your EEG. is as flat as cardboard. And then to throw in a referance to the social democrats,Hitlers Brown shirts,with the night of the long knives is aah,ooh a litttle over the top lets say.You were born to late 1938 was your time, Germany was your place,and Geobbles was your man. He would like you enthusiasm. Your like one of those Japanes soldiers lost on a desert islandin WW11. Who are you to speak to what the soldiers want? Someone I work with got a letter from his nephew serving in Iraq. He read it out loud to everyone .The kid sounded desperat, he spoke of no rest,no water and alot of heat. .They had been looking for the three soldiers that had been captured.At the end of the letter he asked that every one pray for him.

    OH yeah what victory are you talking about? Saddoms gone along with his sons,no wmd We already won the war years ago. So again what war are you talking about?
     
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    LOL.... wait... wtf was that?
     
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    What is the context of the long knives comments, are you referring to the night Hitler went on a killing spree or the British Colonists??
     
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    Conservatives are taking a stand. Rather than following like cowards behind an incompetent leader, they are showing guts by doing the difficult thing and admitting they were wrong.

    For instance:

    http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php

    Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved.

    Just as telling, in this year’s poll only 41 percent of the military said the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place, down from 65 percent in 2003.

    Also, one third of Republicans disapprove of Bush's handling of the war. See: http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

    And here's an article on some of the courageous conservatives who had the guts to stand up against the war:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-warvote7jul07,0,7948431.story?coll=la-home-center
     
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    The numbers you speak to may say more about how the mission has been conducted than the purpose of the mission.

    It will be interesting to see how Patraeus's surge is viewed by the troops if the politcians don't pull the plug before it is given a chance to succeed.

    It is ironic that the left was calling for a change in strategy, voted unanimously for Patraeus, who told them his approach during hearings and now try to cut his legs out from under him politically really shameless and unfait to Patraeus and the troops.
     
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    I think Patraeus has been given a chance, but that chance is fast coming to an end and even some conservative Republicans recognize that.
     
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    The pubbies you are citing are mostly RINO's Patters. Chance? Patraeus said he wouldn't know how things were going until Sept.. The offensive operations didn't START till the middle of June exactly how does one tell already?

    Npt much of a chance, but the dems would be horrified if the surge were successful as we know.
     
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    Take a stand, go nuts.

    But at what point would you concede failure in Iraq? I can't imagine you'd never concede failure, only a fool wouldn't know when it was time to quit. So what would be your benchmark? Because to me, what you're saying today could be said next year, or next decade.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    I'm not sure why this has to turn into "the war". Maybe we should have conceded failure already but this chaos, we now know, was locked in once we dethroned Hussein and the vast majority of Democrats voted for that - including the likely Democrat nominee. So I'm not sure what the point is.

    Meanwhile after that long thread on health care I'm wondering how many of our Liberals are planning on going to Canada next time they have health care needs.

    I just hope everyone is saving money because our great society programs are going to become more and more unsustainable. I know one thing, when I get my inheritance from my parents, I won't be spending it - I'll be investing it so I have a nestegg to pass on to my kids because saving for retirement will be harder for them than it's been for me with taxes inevitably going up.
     
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    To those grinning sore loser democrats GETTING BUSH is far more important than the war, why do Anti War People keep ignoring the fact that the democrats voted FOR the war, Kerry said, "if elected I will go to war, I will get rid of Saddam and his WMD's" Saddam Fooled the whole world, even Pant Suit Hillary and Uncle Teddy believed he had the WMD's and HE DID at one time, he used them for all the world to see, then he "got rid of them" the old fox.

    I have lost a lot of faith in Bush, not for the war but for that poor women down in Arizona who had 14 Illegal Aliens taking a bath in her swimming pool at dawn.
    :bricks:
     
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    Conservatism, the way it used to mean, is dead.

    These people in Washington call themselves conservatives and condone bigger government, invasion of privacy, pre-emptive warfare... the Republican party is all messed up now.

    The only real conservative is Ron Paul.
     
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    Ron Paul is a libertarian BTW.
     
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    A person like Ron Paul is considered extreme by today's standards,only because the entire political spectrum has shifted so much. What was considered conservative before is now called libertarian because the conservative base itself has become crazy. Pre-emptive war and neo-conservatism, crazy religious zealots, invasion of privacy, huge government spending programs and national debt, ignoring separation of church and state, invasion of privacy... these people are not conservatives.
     
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    Far Left Liberalism forced the Conservative to "fight back".

    Can you picture a country run by the likes of Barbara Boxer, Auntie Pelosi, Harry Weasel Reid, Uncle Teddy and John Fonda Kerry etc.

    Why do knee jerk crybaby liberals love Dictators, Chavez/Castro rule with an Iron hand, censorship, cruelty, dishonesty, lack of human rights, lack of civil liberties, deprived of most basic freedoms all the things that Liberalism Claims to be against and yet the Far Left Liberal loves them :confused: :confused:
     
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    The long knives refers to the Democrats, who must be resisted.
     
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    This war can be won, will be won, and your grandchildren will live in a better world for it. The only thing that can prevent it are the political machinations of the American Left, for whom military defeat would be the signature political victory on their march to thw White House. Be very ashamed.
     
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    Then there is no context, it stands alone.. still do not see the sense in what you said.
     
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    Are our war spendings unsustainable also, they have risen much quicker than most of the expenditures of the federal gov't???
     
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    Let me repost my question in case you missed it:

    At what point would you concede failure in Iraq? I can't imagine you'd never concede failure, only a fool wouldn't know when it was time to quit. So what would be your benchmark? Because to me, what you're saying today could be said next year, or next decade.
     

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