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  1. Rob0729

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    On their "Barber Shop" show on Sirius NFL radio last night said that that every team has someone who's job it is to try to steal the other team's signals and that everyone in the league knows it is going on. They said they don't know if everyone video tapes it, but they were kinda surprised about the reaction since the Jets were probably doing a similiar thing to the Pats but just wasn't caught.
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    EXXXXACTLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

    Thanks to the Barber Shop for telling it like it is.
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    I dont think the media and nfl is worried about the truth which is the problem!
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    Lincoln Kennedy said the same thing - which is why we should be hit for videotaping and nothing more.
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    do you have a link?

    also, this is one of the reasons that the penalty, despite the overheated suggestions being thrown around by people who should know better, would be stern but reasonable. (I say "would be" because we still haven't heard the Patriots side of the story!!!)
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    Its funny how everyone acts like this is something that isn't done ever game ever year. Sorta like thinking the only people who take steroids are the ones that get caught.
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    Which probably explains why the Pats aren't that eager to quell the PR storm unless they discuss with the league about the implications.

    I am sure in BB's public statment would be "it's league policy not to discuss these things" :rolleyes:

    But if this is so rampant, I am surprised that Hobbs (and Wilfork?) seemed to have no clue about this.
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    Sorry, no link. Heard it on the radio. They are rerunning the comment on their "Two Minute Drill" news update every 20 minutes or so. So their might be an audio link on the Sirius website.
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    They have been told to not comment, I imagine.
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    the media is just concerned with getting the Pats...they don't like us and now is there time to get back at BB and the Pats
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    You need to look no further then when the phins were caught last year doing this, how much play time did that story get last year, what maybe a minute or two then forgetten for good!:rolleyes:

    It's clear what the agenda of the media is, bill is not well liked by them and they are milking this story as much as they can! If the punishment is anything more then a late second day pick then it will also be clear what the nfl's agenda is also!
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    They blurted out about using a tape but since they were never 'caught' taping, they can claim they found that tape on the way from Logan to Foxboro. Whereas, we might have been 'caught' with our hand in the cookie jar...:eek:
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    I thought we were on top when we beat the Rams, then I really thought we were on top when we beat the Eagles. Now it really feels like we're the premier team in the league with all the attention we get from this.
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    That's the key. If that can be supported, then the Pats reputation will be fine, but they made still be made an example of to try to cut down on this type of cheating. Let's hope other former players come forward with this sort of info.
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    Is there a rule against stealing signs ? If not, it's not cheating. The videotaping was against league policy; fine, we got caught. Bad boys. The is no and was no cheating.
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    all the ruckus is raised by team officials and managers who want to gain "a competitive advantage" (pun intended) by making a big deal out of this . All the players round the league know it but teams and GMS which want some way to weaken the pats e.g. get BB suspsended for 4 games etc raise a bigger deal out of it.
    I heard adam schefter say that people round the league are angry that it cost them afc division championships,jobs etc. Guess who it cost afc division championships ???
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    "against league policy", why do you think that it's against league policy, just for kicks? It's against league policy because it would give one team a competitive advantage, therefore, it's cheating. I'm as big a Pats fan as anyone, but I really think people are burying their heads in the sand if they think what the Pats were doing isn't cheating.
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    All I know if if we beat the Jest of the Fins last year in the game we lost to each of them, we host Indy instead of being there.

    The Fins we know stole signs. And I bet something was going on when we didn't pick up a single blitz Mangina threw at us in NE.
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    Is stealing signs via other methods besides videotaping cheating? Like that the Dolphins did last year? Is that cheating in the league today? Yes or no?

    Because the Dolphins story made it clear that sign stealing is part of football. the league didn't care at all.

    If it's the methods that are being legislated and not the act of sign stealing, I think that's way different than what the hysterical talking heads have been saying.
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    It is so simple, however all the talking heads are making it very complex and trying to play the cheating angle big time.. no one has said how this gives them a competitive advantage during a game. Schelereth is a wuss and has inflamed this issue as much as anyone has.

    Where are all our friends, Berman? Sims? Esaison? who have modicum of sensibility, have never seen so much hysteria in my life.
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    There's a league policy on how how players have to wear their socks too.
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    So the Patriots do it, the Bucs do it, and Peter King says the Colts do it. Now all we need to know is if the Steelers do it. Keeping going down the rabbit hole NFL, lets find out the past six superbowl wins were fraudulent.

    And how crazy is Mangina to do this? If the Patriots have been cheating for all these years than his credentials to become a head coach in the first place were non-existent.

    Even if the penalty is relatively mild, the damage has been done for at least this week. I don't see a win on Sunday after this monumental distraction. But if the Pats did something wrong punish them, and then be prepared to expose the other teams that are doing the same thing. This could be a risky move on the NFL's part after already having their worst PR year in a long time.
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    Not sure they will win or loose because of what happens yesterday or today, sometimes these polarizing events give this team incentive.
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    Good point, I also wonder what can of sh*t they are opening up by pissing BB off like this, this is a guy who's been involved in the league for over 30 years. Now I think he wouldn't do it but then again...couldn't he now expose just about every trick that any team does to gain (catchphrase of the week) competitive advantage? I'm sure there is an unwritten "turn the other way" about all the crap that goes on that has been followed until now. Are all bets off becuase of this?
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    The edict that came from the NFL this offseason was pretty clear in that they were emphasizing no video equipment on the sidelines, in the coaches' box or in the locker room. Where is the ambiguity? The Pats intentionally ignored the rule. You can rationalize all you want, but they were cheating. Does it take away from their win? No. Does it tarnish their reputation? I'm sure in a lot of people's eyes it does.
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    I don't think he would. He might hint at it to Goodall for leniency but I think Belichick would rather go down quietly than to be a turncoat snitch like someone else turned out to be.
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    On the contrary it is you who has his head in a ditch. YOU don't seem to understand that all teams engage in this kind of gamesmanship. YOU don't seem to understand that this "infraction" is more worthy of a comedy sketch than indignation. YOU seem to have your panties in a bunch over these over the top insinuations. YOU need to settle down and wait for Mr. Kraft and BB express their side of the story. Until then, all of your handwringing is premature.
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    If it turns out to be BS I can see it infuriating them, which could work, but I still believe going into a game with a cool, focused mind is much better. Let the Charges get worked up over a team celebrating after a win (OMG The Colts were happy they won the AFC Title game, what a bunch of dicks!) while the Pats focus on the game plan. That isn't going to happen though, not this week.

    Now if we can confirm that the tape was confiscated at halftime I'd like some explanation as to how this helped them score 14 points off of a kick return and Brady to Moss pass in the second half.

    Somebody broke a rule having that camera there, that much is certain, if it was the Pats deliberate decision, whatever penalty they get hit with is justified. I'm just starting to think that if this is as prevalent as some claim the NFL is opening a can of worms that may be hard to put the lid back on.

    People in stone houses shouldn't throw glasses, or some such...

    I'd say all respect for unspoken rules goes out the window now. Anyone really think Belichick makes the trip to New York without having enough info to take a proverbial dump on Goodell's desk? He may be crazy, but he's also calculating.
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    Yes, I know that.

    But the videotaping is only a method of doing something that is apparently perfectly legal (stealing signs).

    That is flat out different than "you were caught stealing signs which no one does in the NFL".

    Did we break a rule? Yup. We'll be punished. But not for "sign stealing". For illegal use of a camera.

    There's a distinction. It may not be good enough for you, but I can't control what you think anyway. As fot the rest of NFL fans, they are happy to see us in trouble and couldn't care less about what the rules actually are. They still think sign stealing is the problem here.
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    I think it's cheating. But the NFL is ok with cheating. Did you read the NFL's verdict last year on the Dolphins incident? CHEATING IS OK. STEALING SIGNS IS OK.

    Not to mention the fact that the fact that only QBs can receive transmissions allows the offense an advantage that unbalances the game against teams with better defenses.
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