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  1. PatsBoy12

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    Here's what one of the best ever, Tony G., has to say about our young TE's:

    Gonzalez thinks Pats' rookie TEs have a future - Extra Points - Boston.com


    This has to mean a lot to the youngsters. I hope they're soaking up knowledge from one of the best ever at his position.
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    Does that mean hernandez isn't blocking well?
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    I'm guessing it's a weaker part of his game, but Gonzalez could also just be speaking in generalities. Either way, if he can contribute in the intermediate passing game for now, that's enough as a rookie. If he develops into a decent blocker in the coming years as well, that's just gravy.
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    If he isn't, I am not surprised; never saw him as an all around TE, more of a receiving only :)
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    Is this the same Gonzalez that BB asked at the pro bowl if he ever blocks anyone?:singing::singing::singing::bricks:
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    Well, we know Hernandez can't block as an in-line TE, he's a H-Back type guy who is under-size at under 250 pounds.

    I just hope he is fast enough and got the passing game down enough to make impact as a receiving *only* TE.

    I like Gonkowski a lot more, and expect him to make a much bigger impact.
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    Same here.
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    In the future, Gronk will probably make a bigger impact. But this season, it's probably going to be Hernandez who makes the bigger impact of the two in the passing game.

    Good words from Gonzalez. Hopefully Gronk and Hernandez are keeping a close eye on him to learn what they can.
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    I can't fully agree on that, the fact is, Hernandez has a lot of work left for him on his game.

    Gronk can play in a lot more formations, a lot more packages and is more ready to step up, Hernandez's development especially development as at the blocking part of his game is key for his success this season, heck, even next season.
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    that was on special teams though :)
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    I'd heard the same thing - but the Pats scheme for blocking TEs isn't limited to the line only - and I thought I'd heard some media talking heads say that Hernandez' downflield blocking ability was decent and that Hernandez may go down as the steal of the draft (as his draft stock was hurt by the unheard of notion of college students smoking pot)

    Overall I get the sense that that between Hernandez and Gronkowski, even with both being rookies, along with Crumpler, we've significantly upgraded a weak area on the team.

    Adding our TEs as receivers into the mix with Moss, Welker and Edelman, not to mention pass catching RBs, I think we've got a short to mid game that is going to drive DC's absolutely mad

    The only thing I have some concern about is finding another deep threat ready to step up if and when we lose Moss next season. I'd like to have someone opposite of Moss who can take advantage of his double teams now, but with all these options, it's not critical for success this season... yet it's a growing imperative to find someone to fill Moss' shoes for next season and as of yet we don't know who that will be.
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    It's almost like you're expecting Moss to go down. Man, I sure you hope you're wrong about that.;)


    Nonetheless, I get your point and I think that player may just be Brandon Tate, if he continues to progress so smoothly. All reports suggest that he's having himself a very good training camp and they're using him in a number of different areas (punt return, kick return, lining him up in a number of different spots, etc.).
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    Absolutely, i was hoping that man to be Price when he was drafted, he didn't show that much in TC/First game of the pre-season, i hope he gets better... but Tate does seem like he is beginning to be a threat out there.
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    Besides that, he seems to be a good target for TB in the EZ because of his size.
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    I'm not sure what you're going on saying that Gronk can play in more formations. Hernandez can line up in the slot in four wide formations, he can line up as a receiver in other formations depending on the match-up, and he can also line up on the line of scrimmage and run routes. It would seem that Hernandez can line up in just as many, if not more, formations and packages as Gronk.
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    Yeah, Hernandez, in my opinion, seems to be the more versatile option from a strictly receiver point of view. Blocking would seem to be the major flaw in his game, assuming his official title will be TE.

    I watched him at Florida and he was rarely kept in to block for Tebow. In fact, the only time he would stay in would be when Florida ran the the little pitch play they liked to run on teams that blitzed often. It usually was run for Hernandez and it usually went for a big gain.
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    Yeah, I'd like to see the Pats run that play. Little pitch up the A-Gap. Not sure it would be as effective as it was at Florida, though.
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    If Hernandez can't block, then he is a big WR. Who would you want to have on the field with Brady, a RB, Gronk, Moss and Welker?

    Edelman? I could see it.

    Tate? makes sense.

    Hernandez? Why?
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    Hernandez can run routes out of the LOS and his speed would create mismatches for linebackers that would cover him. He can also run routes out of the slot and his size and power would create mismatches for defensive backs. He threaten the seam and over the middle.
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    Would you rather have him on the field instead of Edelman?

    Or perhaps as the primary blocker instead of Grankowski?

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    If you try to make Hernandez a WR you have a slow WR.
    If you put him in a formation where he is covered like a TE or a FB, it doesnt much matter what you call him, its a mismatch in the passing game.
    Problem is to get him covered by someone slower and less agile on pass plays you have to ask him to block someone bigger on run plays.
    To say he can be on the field in any situation I suppose could be technically true, but the formations that it would be smart to have him in for are more limited.
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    So you're simply making Hernandez a WR now? if the Pats go to the slot only two guys will be there, Welker or Edelman, not our 240 pound TE.

    He won't be able to play on the line due to his lack of blocking ability and that limits his chances and limit his playing time.
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    According to Rodak, he's getting play in the slot:

    Picked-up pieces from 2nd quarter review - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
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    Just as so much of the Bill Belichick playbook, it would depend on matchups.
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    I would never have him as the primary blocker instead of Gronk. If you read my thread where I broke down what I saw of the Gator players we took, you would know that. However, there might be specific match-ups where it would make more sense to line up Hernandez in the slot instead of Edelman. Hernandez's size alone would make him a tremendous mismatch going up against smaller DB's. There are also two TE sets that he can line up in and cause mismatches against slower linebackers.

    I was wondering what you weren't understanding before. No offense meant. Hernandez isn't a true TE. He's an H-Back. I said before the preseason began that Hernandez will be lining up in the slot just as much, if not more, than he lines up next to the tackles. And you're wrong about the slot. They could run the odd 5WR set from time to time, being that they look to have the weapons in the passing game to once again spread opposing defenses out with success. And yes, he could play on the line. He wouldn't be the first TE with blocking issues to line up next to the tackles. The coaching staff will line him up wherever they see a mismatch (and that includes the backfield as a potential runner).

    Please read this thread to see my thoughts on Cunningham, Spikes, and Hernandez.
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    Exactly, he isn't a true TE, which is my point of him been limited in playing time.

    Yes, maybe when we will use a 5 WR set twice every 4 games he will be there but outside of that, he can't line up on the line on consistent bases, he won't play the slot over Welker/Edelman in a 3 WR set and he won't take over Gronk's playing time on the line.

    Again, my point is Hernandez will see less time than Gronk, and he will.
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    AH is very similar build to Dallas Clark, and he seems to be pretty good :)

    Yes I know he is a H-Back, but still lines up on the line! I am sure AH will be fine ;)
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    Just want to throw in my two cents... I have always wondered why the Patriots usually have a marginal running game. It usually is "adequate", but never really spectacular. Is it our blocking scheme's? The quality of the running backs? The O-line's skillset or training? Is it because the skills of Brady and the receivers are so sensational it causes the running game to be de-emphasized?

    It probably is a combination of all the above, but possibly we now have a group of tight ends that will answer some of these questions. I think we are going to see T Brady under center a lot more this year with multiple tight end sets. If this results in a more effective power running game (hope, hope) then I suspect we will also see a lot more of a tight end slipping away from the LOS a la Dallas Clark & Jason Witten & every other TE that always seemed to kill us over the past several years.

    Gronk & Hernandez may be the perfect pair to pull this off. I believe we saw the beginning of this last week, especially in the red zone sets. The results (running touchdowns) looked promising to me. Comments?
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