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  1. mikey

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    Are Belichick and Pioli so focused on the salary cap and the future of the team that they are missing the fact the best chance for us to win another Lombardi is NOW??

    As Brady is approaching the prime of his career, I find it incredulous that Pioli and Belichick are "semi-dismantling" the team.

    Instead of surrounding Brady with better players, they are doing the exact OPPOSITE, filling up the rosters of rookies and free agents.

    As an example, I thought last season was a wasted opportunity. Instead of paying more to keep Ty Law, Pioli and Belichick decided on getting Starks. I thought that cheap and short-sighted decisions to sign Starks cost us a 4th Lombardi. If we had Ty Law instead of Starks, we would have gotten at least 3 more wins and the home-field advantage in the playoff.

    And I am afraid Belichick and Pioli are pulling the same stunt this year with Deion Branch.

    I hope Pioli and Belichick will realize that the FUTURE IS NOW!!!

    Don't make this season another WASTED OPPORTUNITY.


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    :trolls:

    Rodney's back and so is Mikey. :cool:
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    That line gave it away. :D

    Good impersonation of Felger though.
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    If there is anyone invloved with this organization who doesn't realize the future is now and it's named Brady they ought to be sent to work for the Jets for the next twenty years while they wait for a once in a lifetime QB to land again.

    By not securing home field last year the Pats made things tough on themselves, but it was the loss of Rodney Harrison and the major injury to Corey Dillon that cost this team wins last season much more than not signing Law. Despite all this, it took a horrific display of unforced turnovers, combined with a key missed field goal, to end the season of a team that would have played the Steeler's at home for the right to beat Seattle in the SB. Given Big Boob's gruesome performance for the winning team, it's hardly a stretch to suggest the Pat's could have secured the Lombardi trophy if they had beaten Pittsburgh at home. But both the main cogs screwed up - Brady with his awful INT for a TD and BB for not putting Dwight or Brown out to return the kickoff Hobbs fumbled at a pivotal moment in the game.

    So I don't believe the team doesn't sense the urgency to win while Brady's here but I do think they struggle to mesh their conservative long-term mentality with the fact that the prime of Brady's career is already half over.
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    :wha: I must have missed something (easy since I rarely spend much time on Felger articles anymore), is Mikey doing satire? :eek:
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    WTF?

    Are you serious?:confused:
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    Not paying Ty Law last year? You're a few years behind. That was two years ago, not last year. And Ty was burnt toast on many occasions on his hobbled foot.

    I mean, the Patriots were damn lucky they didn't give in to Law's ridiculous 24-30 million dollar demands. That would have crippled our salary cap.

    Thank god these kids aren't running the team.
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    Remember the much-acclaimed Felger article this week on the Pats' depth where he basically proclaimed the Pats need veteran linebackers but then turned around and said they weren't young enough?

    How are the Pats supposed to get "better" by not filling up their rosters with draft picks and free agents?

    (How else are they going to fill their roster? What other types of players are there?)
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    Wow! Mikey is back on his meds, who knew? Sorry Mikey, I'll have to get you next time. :bricks:
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    http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1358

    I believe Ty Law basically signed a 1-year contract with the Jets for $5.5 M. With bonus, it went up to $6 M.

    As for being "burnt toast", I believe you were referring to Duane Starks.

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    ROTFLMAO at this thread.
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    Truth be told, I can't think of too many better players that would have been available. Namely their cost/longterm value.


    As far as filling up the roster with a bunch of rookies and free agents, I don't have too much of an issue with that.

    A bunch of end of the road FA's and unproven rookies won us a Super Bowl in 2001.
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    Do you think we are better off with Caldwell and Jackson instead of Branch and Givens?

    Do you think Brady has better WR's than Manning??


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    NO.....but he has better running backs, tight ends and O line.
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    If anything, it looks as though injuries are already dictating our season. The loss of Branch hurts a lot, but you need to get over it. He will be in a Pats uniform come week 1. Branch is not that stupid. There are more important things to worry about in the world today than if Belicheck and Pioli are sabataging the season. Come on, you really think Belicheck wants his team to loose?
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    Who says they will be the starting WRs come opening day?

    When has he ever? And what is your point?
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    In 2001:

    Instead of surrounding Bledsoe with better players, they are doing the exact OPPOSITE, filling up the rosters of rookies and free agents.

    I disagree that we must win now or not at all, that we must sacrifice our future for the present. I don't think BB is writing off this season quite yet.

    Anyway, you're talking about filling the backup roster with rookies and FAs. We're returning almost all our starters you know.
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    Too early to tell, but what makes you think Branch won't be playing in the regualr season?

    Do you think we were better off with Branch, Givens, and Dwight than Branch, Caldwell and Jackson?
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    Mikey, as BB would say, they haven't even played a game yet. Givens was a 7th round pick so I'm sure you said the same things about how they would be better off with Patten instead of a guy like Givens and as for Manning's vs Brady's WR I'd say on paper the Colts have always had a better corp. What has it won them? I know this offseason seems to support your "Kraft is cheap" motto but let's see how it plays out on the field, no? You think by now you would have learned that lesson.
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    Not even a guy with stick 'em all over his hands would've held onto that fumble. The ball hit the guy's helmet and came loose. There's no way to stop that, it's simple physics. Don't blame pure chance on the coaching staff.
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    It seems that's how many people feel right now.
    Scott Pioli and Bill Belichick know what they're doing here. It all involves balance (building the team, spending efficiently, player depth etc) There is so much on the plate and limited time to do it. I strongly feel that our organization is the best in the league at it. It hurts when players get cut and friends leave- we have lost some big players for us buit now is the time for the new dudes to step up-don't forget how alot of our starters started out. Last year really hurt and still does until we beat down Denver- but this year we will be better.

    Sometimes we need to make certain sacrifices and players no longer want to be here. that's how it is.

    Change...
    "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken."
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    Uh, so in other words, you wouldn't have paid Ty Law $30 million the year before when he was healthy and legitimately one of the best 3 or 4 CBs in the league? Is that what you're saying?
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    I am afraid to say I have the same concerns. The team is $13-15MM under the salary cap and has clear depth issues at ILB and WR. They were going into the season knowing that they were paper thin at ILB and depending on Beisel to significantly improve his play. With a protracted injury to Bruschi, the spector of Dom Davis and Barry Gardner logging significant regular season minutes at ILB scares the you-know-what-out-of-me. What is particularly disturbing is that there was plenty of relatively low cost LB depth available in free agency (I have long ago given up on them actually drafting one relatively high!) -- Brad Kassell, Ben Leber, etc would look awfully good in Patriots uniform right now. I just wish I could understand why the team won't spend $ on mid level free agents (like the ones I have just mentioned) and then be $13-15MM under the cap. I know Mr. Kraft will spend whatever it takes so I am just curious what is going on.
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    How does letting E. James leave in free agency help the Colts win NOW? Manning is also in his prime and the team has been very close for several years. They let a huge offensive weapon leave.

    That should put it in perspective. A team that has been right there for several seasons did not mortgage their future by re-signing every single key player to huge money.
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    I don't know ...

    I don't feel the sense of urgency of winning NOW.

    I thought Brady might have felt the same way and was conveying the message in the SI interview.

    I personally thought we are not taking full advantage of having one of the best QBs ever.

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    what's so funny about it? you think letting McGinest, Vinatieri, Givens, and Law go, helped the team?


    agreed.
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    Foolish to start saying the team has been ruined before a game hasnt even been played, tell us it Mikey, if we have a losing record. Otherwise how do you know they dont return back to the Superbowl? They are SB Contenders. You are giving Givens way too much credit. I'd rather have Caldwell and Jackson than him, plus how do you know Branch doesnt play? AV is a kicker mikey...a kicker, kickers just dont get 2-3 million dollars per year, thats insane. Pats did their best to sign AV but he joined the Colts greedily for a dime more. Damn, you'd think the world was going to end. Remember what you said if we win another SB this year or at least get into the playoffs.
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    Whaaaa? how the returner positions himself has nothing do with where the ball "hits" him? Man, you're kool-aid must be wicked, wicked good.
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    One good linebacker and I'm good to go. Branch is signed for 2006.

    Brady just turned 29. Step away from the button please.
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    What if the LB situation is resolved within the team like Roach or Alexander end up playing really well would that satisfy you or do you just want a player to be acquired through FA or trade?

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