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Rate the Patriots' 2010 draft

Poll closed Mar 4, 2013.
  1. A+

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  2. A

    38.5%
  3. A–

    17.1%
  4. B+

    2.6%
  5. B

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  6. B– or less

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  1. ctpatsfan77

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    As a reminder, here's who the Patriots drafted:

    1.27 Devin McCourty
    2.42 GRONK
    2.53 Jermaine Cunningham
    2.62 Brandon Spikes
    3.90 Taylor Price
    4.113 Aaron Hernandez
    5.150 Zoltan Mesko
    6.205 Ted Larsen*
    7.208 Thomas Welch
    7.247 Brandon Deaderick*
    7.248 Kade Weston*
    7.250 Zac Robinson*

    *Comp pick the Patriots could not trade

    And, for those of you who consider such things, the Patriots also had two UDFA rookies make the team: Dane Fletcher and Kyle Love.

    Note: I'm lumping everything C+ and under into one category for fairly obvious reasons.
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    Five starters + four still on the roster and contributing
    An all-world player
    Three Pro-Bowlers
    One of the key personalities on defense

    I could go on and on, but this is the draft class we thought we were getting in 2009. Very, very solid.
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    I'm stilling waiting for Taylor Price's break out year.
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    Cunningham at 52 is a fail. Golden Tate should've been the obvious choice.

    A 5th-rounder for a mediocre Punter, when SS Reshard Jones (among others) was still available? Meh.

    Trading Up in the 7th round for Tom Welch? Why?

    I gave the draft a B+. Some VG picks (McCourty, Gronk, Spikes, Hernandez); the rest, not so VG.

    I wish I had the rest of the voters as my teachers when I attended Boston Latin.
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    I do not understand your obsession with a guy who had 664* yards this past season.

    And that's ignoring the fact that Brandon Tate's 2010 season was better than either of Golden Tate's first two. The correct pick at 52 was clearly either Navarro Bowman, Jimmy Graham, or Geno Atkins.
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    In hindsight, this draft deserves a B-. The hits are obvious but the misses become even more glaring because of the problems that still plague the team today. Such as a lack of an interior pass rush along side Wilfork and a dearth of exceptional coverage linebackers. Some combination of draft changes like Sean Lee over Jermaine Cunningham, or NaVorro Bowman over Brandon Spikes or even Geno Atkins over Taylor Price (picked 1 pick ahead of Bowman) likely changes the complexion of the defense today.

    Of course all of this is in hindsight, but all in all I consider this draft to be a successful stepping stone for Patriots teams of the future.
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    McCourty, Gronkowksi, Hernandez and Mesko make this an A+ draft. The considerable hits outweigh the misses.
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    1.27 Devin McCourty
    Round 1 is an A or A+. I give it an A because we don't know whether McCourty's Pro Bowl rookie year was an aberration.

    2.42 GRONK
    2.53 Jermaine Cunningham
    2.62 Brandon Spikes

    Round 2 is an A or A+. 3 picks. One immediate All-Pro. Two guys who taken together are an OK starter.

    3.90 Taylor Price
    F

    4.113 Aaron Hernandez

    A++. Hernandez would be an A pick even late in Round 1.

    5.150 Zoltan Mesko
    A+

    6.205 Ted Larsen*
    B+. Highest possible grade I can give to a guy who was cut.

    7.208 Thomas Welch
    7.247 Brandon Deaderick*
    7.248 Kade Weston*
    7.250 Zac Robinson*

    Round 7 is an A. Getting even one quasi-starter from Round 7 deserves an A.

    I'm an older guy, who dates back before grade inflation, so I'll just give it an A. But I understand all the A+ votes too.
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    what are we comparing it to? a draft which everyone turned out to be an all pro or the pats best draft to date?


    b/c this just might b the best pats draft to date, so its an A+, if you compare to the best draft every by anyone, im sure its more in the B range....
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    I don't understand those "vicars of 20-20 hindsight" who demand hits on EVERY pick. This was a phenomenal draft. BTW- I think you have to include any UDFA's to the grade, and we got 2 winners there as well.

    Christ, any draft that nets you the best player in the league at his position is a great draft. Five starters, (Gronk, Hernandez, McCourty, Spikes, Love) 3 contributors (Cunningham, Fletcher, Deadrick), plus a very good punter, is beyond great.

    I think people get hung up on the failures and the would haves and could haves. Plus I don't understand the concept of Cunningham as a failed draft pick. He was a starter his rookie year, and had a very solid year despite having to make the most difficult position transition you can make (college DE to a 2 gap OL in BB's 3-4) His 2nd year was a waste, but his 3rd year was decent playing in certain packages as an undersized DE/DT in a 2 gap 4-3. It certainly didn't turn out to be a home run, but not a "bust" either.

    Any draft that nets you 3 starters would be a good draft. How 2010 with 5+ can be rated less than an A is incomprehensible.
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    I really dislike the draft hindsight game. The Pats were the beneficiaries of the biggest draft screw-up in NFL history. If teams didn't make mistakes in the draft, then Tom Brady would have been the first overall pick for the Browns in 2000. If you want to make the argument that the Pats should have picked the best available player at every pick, then you also have to give up Brady.
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    You can't draft a grade on hindsight.

    On people getting only a 50% hit on a good starter in round 1 (and the odds only go down from there), how can anyone not grade this as an A+/A?

    We have secured 2 TEs that are scary good, McCourty is better than most people think (average fan that is). That alone nets you the A/A+...the rest is gravy and good gravy at That
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    6 of the 12 are contributing......Cunningham is a JAG who once in a while makes a play but I doubt he will be in the league too long.

    This draft deserves an A-
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    Which NFL team had a BETTER draft in 2010...?

    Also, consider draft position. Drafting near the bottom of each round makes it difficult to have a home run. Still, Pats did:

    Grade: A
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    Would have given it an A+ had we not wasted a first rounder on DMC.... what a **** waste. :rolleyes:
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    Ugh. This is just silly...to put it mildly.
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    Since you can't evaluate/grade a draft on foresight, you only have one way to do it. If you can't handle the idea of a team's drafts being evaluated, a thread titled as obviously as:

    is probably one you should put on ignore, since it's clearly not hiding its intent. Also, the notion that you can't, or shouldn't, look back on drafts and judge them is ridiculous. GMs are hired and fired via such judgments. In this case, the 2010 Patriots draft was an excellent one. 11 picks, 8 in the 3rd round or lower, and 8 of the 11 picks were in the NFL last season. That number will likely drop in the next year or two (Cunningham being a prime candidate for dropping out), but when you've got Gronk, Hernandez, McCourty, Spikes, Mesko and even Deaderick coming out of one draft class, that's a hell of a good job done by the team.
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    Belichick really wanted Graham...

    imagine if we got him along with gronk and hern.

    Would have been amazing seeing all three together.


    Anyways voted A but should have A+, great draft.


    I remember Gronk's reaction to be drafted by us and thinking he'd be great. Never imagined GOAT potential but knew he'd be a beast for us. Also wasn't that excited about Hernandez. Wasnt a huge fan of TEs that couldnt block.
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    I gave an A+. The Pats got four starters (Gronk, Hernandez, Spikes, and McCourty) with one being a potential HOFer. They got one of the better punters in the league in Mesko. They got a couple of role players in Deadrick (who is a solid role player) and Cunningham. That is a haul by any standards.

    Also, the UDFAs were homeruns. Love is a starter. Fletcher was solid as a rotational guy before he got injured.
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    Mesko a mediocre punter? Huh?!? Mesko is a pretty damn good punter. His numbers may be low, but that's because he was 29th in the league in punting attempts. I would rank Mesko in the top 5-10 punters in the league.

    I don't know how you can say that people are easy graders for giving a draft that produced two starters, a solid punter, and a couple of role players a great grade. I mean any draft that produces 2-3 starters is a good draft. Any more than that is an excellent draft.

    I don't understand your expectations are to be a great draft, but it sounds like it is a draft that has never happened in NFL history where every pick was a homerun.

    BTW, I may agree Cunningham was not a great pick, but why would Tate be a good pick. He is a mediocre WR. Personally, the pick they should have made was Sean Lee who is outstanding and was only picked two spots later. But hindsight is always 20-20.
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    Apparently, we get to compare it to an imaginary draft where we could have picked somebody else for every less than pro bowler, but get to forget who we really wanted when Gronk and Hernandez came up.

    The draft where we get 13 pro bowlers i surely on the way.
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    I gave it an A-

    the amount of production coming from this draft is outstanding

    subtracted a few points for cunningham, but not too much, because the later 2nd round was spottier in general in terms of choices the other teams made

    it was an outstanding draft
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    To me the 'coulda' had this guy instead' hindsight is meaningless, because it has no context. In my opinion it is like complaining about passes that went incomplete, while ignoring whether the QB completed 80%, 60%, or 40% of his passes that day or season.

    Here is a comparison of the 2010 draft for teams that made the playoffs (slots 21-32)


    Bengals
    1.21 -- TE Jermaine Gresham (2 Pro Bowls, 3 years starter)
    2.54 -- DE Carlos Dunlap
    3.84 -- WR Jordan Shipley
    3.96 -- CB Brandon Ghee
    4.120 - DT Geno Atkins (1 All Pro, 2 Pro Bowls, 2 years starter)
    4.131 - LB Roddrick Muckelroy (now w/Redskins)
    5.152 - T Otis Hudson
    6.191 - WR Dezmon Briscoe (never played w/Bengals)
    7.228 - C Reggie Stephens (never played w/Bengals)

    Patriots
    1.27 -- DB Devin McCourty (1 Pro Bowl, 3 years starter)
    2.42 -- TE Rob Gronkowski (1 All Pro, 2 Pro Bowl, 3 years starter)
    2.53 -- DE Jermaine Cunningham (1 year starter)
    2.62 -- LB Brandon Spikes (2 years starter)
    3.90 -- WR Taylor Price (no longer on team)
    4.113 - TE Aaron Hernandez (2 years starter)
    5.150 - P Zoltan Mesko
    6.205 - OL Ted Larsen (never played w/Pats)
    7.208 - OL Thomas Welch (never played w/Pats)
    7.247 - DL Brandon Deaderick
    7.248 - DL Kade Weston (never played w/Pats)
    7.250 - QB Zac Robinson (never played w/Pats)

    Packers
    1.23 -- T Bryan Bulaga (3 years starter)
    2.56 -- DE Mike Neal
    3.71 -- S Morgan Burnett (2 years starter)
    5.154 - TE Andrew Quarless
    5.169 - OL Marshall Newhouse (2 years starter)
    6.193 - RB James Starks
    7.230 - DE C.J. Wilson (1 year starter)

    Eagles
    1.13 -- DE Brandon Graham
    2.37 -- S Nate Allen (3 years starter)
    3.86 -- DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (lasted 1 year w/Eagles)
    4.105 - CB Trevard Lindley (1 year w/Eagles)
    4.121 - LB Keenan Clayton (2 years w/Eagles)
    4.122 - QB Mike Kafka (2 years w/Eagles)
    4.125 - TE Clay Harbor
    5.134 - LB Ricky Sapp (never played w/Eagles)
    5.159 - WR Riley Cooper
    6.200 - RB Charles Scott (never played in NFL)
    7.220 - LB Chamar Chaney (1 year starter)
    7.243 - DT Jeff Owens (1 year w/Eagles)
    7.244 - S Kurt Coleman (2 years starter)

    Ravens
    2.43 -- LB Sergio Kindle (bust)
    2.57 -- DT Terrence Cody (1 year starter)
    3.70 -- TE Ed Dickson (2 years starter)
    4.114 - TE Dennis pitta (1 year starter)
    5.156 - WR David Reed (2 years as KR)
    5.157 - DE Art Jones
    6.194 - OT Ramon Harewood

    Cardinals
    1.26 -- DT Dan Williams (2 years starter)
    2.47 -- LB Daryl Washington (3 years starter)
    3.88 -- WR Andre Roberts (2 years starter)
    4.130 - DE O'Brien Schofield (1 year starter)
    5.155 - QB John Skelton
    6.201 - DB Jorrick Calvin (never played w/Cardinals)
    7.233 - TE Jim Dray

    Cowboys
    1.24 -- WR Dez Bryant (2 years starter)
    2.55 -- LB Sean Lee (1 year starter)
    4.126 - KR Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (1 year w/Cowboys)
    6.179 - OT Sam Young (1 year w/Cowboys)
    6.196 - DB Jamar Wall (never played w/Cowboys)
    7.234 - DT Sean Lissemore

    Chargers
    1.12 -- RB Ryan Mathews (1 Pro Bowl, 3 years starter)
    3.79 -- LB Donald Butler (2 years starter)
    4.110 - S Darrell Stuckey
    5.146 - DT Cam Thomas
    5.168 - QB Jonathan Crompton (never played w/Chargers)
    7.235 - TE Dedrick Epps (never played w/Chargers)

    Jets
    1.29 -- CB Kyle Wilson (1 year starter)
    2.61 -- OT Vlad Ducasse
    4.112 - RB Joe McKnight
    5.139 - FB John Conner

    Vikings
    2.34 -- CB Chris Cook (1 year starter)
    2.51 -- RB Toby Gerhart
    4.100 - DE Everson Griffen
    5.161 - G Chris DeGeare (2 years w/Vikings)
    5.167 - LB Nathan Triplett (never played w/Vikings)
    6.199 - QB Joe Webb
    7.214 - TE Mickey Shuler (2 years w/Vikings)
    7.237 - FB Ryan D'Imperio (1 year w/Vikings)

    Colts
    1.31 -- DE Jerry Hughes
    2.63 -- LB Pat Angerer (2 years starter)
    3.94 -- CB Kevin Thomas (1 year w/Colts)
    4.129 - G Jacques McClendon (1 year w/Colts)
    5.162 - TE Brody Eldridge (1 year starter)
    7.238 - DL Ricardo Mathews
    7.240 - LB Kavell Conner
    7.246 - WR Ray Fisher (never played w/Colts)

    Saints
    1.32 -- CB Patrick Robinson (1 year starter)
    2.64 -- OT Charles Brown
    3.95 -- TE Jimmy Graham (1 Pro Bowl, 2 years starter)
    4.123 - DT Al Woods (never played w/Saints)
    5.158 - C Matt Tennant (2 years w/Saints)
    7.239 - QB Sean Canfield (never played w/Saints)



    In relation to other teams with a comparable drafting slot it sure looks to me as if the 2010 draft was a pretty good one for the Patriots.
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    That's an incredible draft. It is really comical that anyone could come in and start second guessing the picks by saying "they should have taken so and so," complete and utter garbage. Some people vastly overrate themselves and the value that comes from Mel Kiper and you-Tube scouting.
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    How can you not give this draft an A+? Seriously, for where we picked too (22 slot), it is amazing.

    -Gronkowski is the GOAT at his position if his health holds. That's not an overstatement either. He could end up #2 all time (including WRs) in TD receptions. He alone warrants an A-. In any 2010 redraft he is a top 5 pick.

    -McCourty is a top 10 FS with only half a season under his belt. He most likely will mold into an all-pro FS. What else do you want from the 27th pick?

    -Although this board gives Hernandez crap regarding him not being a true TE, ok, say he's not a TE. A top 20 WR in the fourth round, homerun pick.

    What else do people expect out of a draft. Those three alone should warrant an A IMO. All three of those players are 1st round picks in a re-draft. Then you have Spikes, Deaderick, Mesko, Love, Fletcher, Cunningham.

    EDIT: Scratch top 5

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft

    You can seriously argue Gronk would of been the #1 overall pick.
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    Gronk = Absolute Beast.
    Spikes = Beast.
    Hernandez = Beast.

    McCourty = Potential Safety Beast.
    Mesko = ST Beast.

    Find me somebody with a better draft, and I'll rank it lower than A+. Until then, that draft was a friggin haul.
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    Just for fun and consulted The Google to find some 2010 mock drafts, see what they had the Pats taking. I looked for mocks that went well beyond the first round (Dez Bryant and Sergio Kindle were popular) and found a couple so far. This is really just to see "what could have been" vs how it played out; some interesting names, but I like how it played out:

    Walter Football:
    22 - Dez Bryant
    44 - Gronk
    47 - Koa Misi DE/OLD
    53 - Tyson Aluala, DE/DT
    119 - Anthony Dixon, RB
    190 - Sergio Render, G
    205 - Bill Stull, QB, Pitt
    229 - Manase Tonga, FB
    231 - Dane Fletcher (!)
    248 - Trevard Lindley, CB
    250 - Garrett Graham TE


    Fox, Peter Schrager
    22- Sergio Kindle
    44 - Gronk (!)
    47 - Jerry Hughes, DE
    53 - Dexter McCluster, RB
    119 - Taylor Price (!)
    190 - Sean Lissemore, DT
    205 - Dorian Brooks, G Steelers
    229 - Roy Upchurch, RB
    231 - Arthur Moats, OLB
    247 - Chris Campbell, T
    248 - Brandon Deaderick, DT (!)
    250 - Kerry Meier, WR
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    Tate sucks and would be a #4 or 5 on this team. All he is is a name.

    Mesko isn't a mediocre punter.

    Who cares about 7th rounders or Thomas Welch.

    The TE alone make this an A+.

    Any of you not giving this at least an A- I'd really love to know what the Pats could have done better aside from something silly like taking Geno Atkins over Taylor Price. This is arguably the best Pats draft in history.
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    Choosing Tate over Wallace (I personally give the team a pass on this one, as I've always considered Tate to have been an "earned" flier pick after all the other work done earlier in that draft), or Jackson over Jennings, or Maroney over MJD, or other direct choices with the 'other' player taken not long after isn't meaningless, regardless of your other hits, jmt. Every team misses, but when you miss big, you deserve the boos, IMO.
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    There were some clear misses in this draft, but every team has misses in every draft. It's clearly an A, on the net.

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