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  1. mayoclinic

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    That's one possible theory as to why we have been so vanilla and generic on defense so far. I've outlines some others in another thread:

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    Wow. I didn't mean to start a debate on what exactly lost us the game. It was a complete TEAM failure. In the past, when that expression was thrown around with Brady starting, it didn't include the quarterback position. This past week, it did.

    Special Teams - Fail.
    Defense - Fail.
    O-Line - Fail.
    WRs - Fail.
    Quarterback - Fail.
    Coaching - Fail.
    Penalties - Fail.

    From top to bottom, every single one of those units/positions let us down in some sort of way this past Sunday. Belichick and even Brady himself admitted as much. Let's hope those mistakes are corrected and Brady got his stinker game out of his system so we can roll over Atlanta and onto the next challenge.
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    Yes, this is a perfect board post. Blame everyone when we lose.

    When you blame everyone, you never improve.

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    The coach disagrees with you. And I highly doubt that the Patriots are going to be Debbie Downers because KontradictioN on Patsfans.com said he agrees with the coach the loss was a complete team failure.

    Did you ever play team sports? "We win as a team, lose as a team" mean anything to you? That's exactly what happened this past week.

    The special teams let Leon Washington run free on more than one occasion, the defense failed to pressure a rookie quarterback and made him look like Unitas in the process, the coaches failed to adjust defensively and offensively to what the Jets were doing, Brady was having a lot of trouble setting his feet even when he WASN'T pressured and his throws showed it, the O-Line let Jets defenders past them all day long, the WRs (I won't name names) dropped two catchable balls, and the team didn't play Belichick - aka - penalty free football as it continued to shoot itself in the foot with costly errors on both sides of the balls.

    In short, yes, it was a total team loss.
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    Sure. I do get it. We can have one of the worst offensive efforts and certainly the poorest coached effort in the last decade, and yet it is indeed a team effort. Every unit needs to go back, work hard and improve.

    HOWEVER, we will not get to the playoffs if the offense doesn't improve an aweful lot.

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    It will. Give it some time. The OL is still not going to be stellar, but Brady will clear the cobwebs out. It's just a matter of time.
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    I disagree that the defense failed. They had several miscues, granted, but that does not put them in the 'fail' column. 16 points missing your star D player is good enough for me.

    Also it is not true that our D failed to pressure.. they did their job when the package called for a pressure. They only blitzed three times, did a 5 and 6 men rush only three times. The majority of rushes were 4 men rush, and unless you are the Giants DL, that type of rush does not really produce miracles.
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    This is the approach I am going with and I have not seen an argument against this that has sufficiently persuaded me that this is not the case.

    I have said elsewhere that this is in line with the philosophy of bringing rookies along, gradually. Rather than throwing them into the fire and risk destroying their confidence. Rather than rookies, we just have a new group finding their own identity and groove, and throwing in complex packages and looks and mixing them up is going to derail that process.

    BB has been coaching for 35 years.. I think he has seen a few things during that time span.
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    This has already been gone over. Sanchez threw 5 times in the first half. A college school defense could have shut the Jets' offense down that half. If he throws more, they score more. We simply could not stop him. We got pressure once, by my count, when we did not blitz. That was right off the bat when Wright hit Sanchez from behind and knocked the ball out of his hand. After that, he looked all too comfortable in that pocket until we finally decided to bring more that a four man rush late in the game. By then, it was already too late.
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    That is correct.

    That is not a failure on the part of the defense, that is a failure on the part of DC play-calling.

    Unless you are including the DC under the category "defense," and that is, I think, unfair to the players.
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    They had to call the blitzes because the front four wasn't generating nearly enough pressure. That IS the fault of our defense.
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    The DC called a total of seventeen four men rush, to a total of just three extra-man rush. That is not balanced game-calling.

    You could see clearly that the Jets OL assigned protection was primarily for 4 men rush and that is not hard to diagnose especially when you know the Pats shifted to 4-3 right away after Mayo went out last week. And when you factor in knowledge that Burgess and TBC are primarily pass-rushers, even a 10 year old can deduce to call for protection against 4 men rush the majority of the time, especially when you see a 4-2-5 setup, you know they are going to try to get you to throw the ball.. When you know it is coming, you can neutralize it most of the time by adjustment.

    They were sitting on it and waiting for it- that was my belief when I was viewing the game.. again I don't have DVR so I cannot go back and conclusively diagnose that.
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